Euthanasia widely practised – Catholic Medical Association

The Pro-Life movement has many supporters. Its actions are well publicised, most parishes have a Pro-life group, and the Society for the Protection of the Unborn child is rightly verbose in its call for the care of unborn children and the right to life.

But what about end-of-life? I do not recall who made the (infamous) statement about ‘death and taxes’, but death can be our unavoidable enemy – or our unavoidable friend. One of the ‘necessary’ prayers of my youth was ‘for a good death’ in the context of being spiritually ready for death as we know not when it might come.

This country is justifiably proud of its Hospice movement, and the Liverpool Care Pathway was formulated within that movement offering palliative care at the end of life. In the hospice it is considered to be a paramount consideration that any individual has the right to ‘a good death’, but sadly, in our overstretched general hospitals a ‘good death’ often is replaced by the needs to ‘unblock’ beds, and minimilise the care that might be given to the dying since there is unlikely to become a positive outcome.

In an increasingly ageing population how we are treated as we prepare to shuffle off this mortal coil should be of paramount importance to us all, although I must state that death does not always come naturally to the old but crosses all ages. Care of the dying should be above all  compassionate, considered and consultative.

The following article by Dr. Clare Walker should give us all cause for concern as it articulates what many have already summised.

The president of the Catholic Medical Association, Dr Clare Walker believes that euthanasia is being quite widely practiced in the NHS in an unofficial way.

Dr Walker explained how she is regularly contacted by distressed healthcare professionals and managers who describe their experience of witnessing repeated instances of unofficial, active euthanasia in their local areas. “The standards of medical ethics and of interpretation of existing legislation appear to vary greatly around the country and from one organisation to the next, even in the same local area,” said Dr Walker.

One development that has enabled this to happen is the adoption of the Liverpool Care Pathway (LCP). The LCP was developed in Liverpool in the 1990s as a result of collaboration between the Royal Liverpool Hospital and the Marie Curie hospice. The laudable aim was to bring hospice style palliative care for those living out their last hours in hospital. Its main emphasis was to unite professional support in the fields of physical treatment, psychological support, and support for carers and spiritual care. “There is no reason to be suspicious when the LCP is being used in appropriate circumstances to a higher standard of care,” said Dr Walker.

However, the scheme has now been rolled out across the country, with the application depending on widely differing levels of ethical application. “If it is used out of context, then it could be used to the detriment of patients e.g. a patient comes into a resuscitation bay and it is not always clear if a condition is acute and can be treated,” said Dr Walker, who recalls that in some hospitals the LCP has become known as the Lazarus Care Pathway due to the number of people who have been put on it inappropriately, are not moribound and subsequently need to be actively treated.

A colleague of Dr Walker’s did a survey on the basis of crematorium records that found in 23 per cent of all deaths of people in one city placed put on the LCP there had been no definite diagnosis at any stage.

Dr Walker puts many of the problems at the door of a lack of ethics in the application of what at face value is a good system for the terminally ill. It is the application that lacks sensitivity and can often just amount to following protocols.  “The problems come when an idol is made of the protocols. It is the same story with anything if you make an idol of it you lose common sense and critical faculties,” said Dr Walker, who defines the slavish following of protocols as “tick box itus.”

She is worried that younger health professionals will be concerned about straying from the protocols for fear they might offend superiors, this means they don’t develop the acumen required to do the job. “Sometimes, in addition to what is required by a protocol, which tends to assess for a single condition, you have to follow an instinct that there is something else wrong with a patient and there is nothing wrong with that. This is the art as well as the science of clinical practice,” said Dr Walker, who abhors the way that cases like that  of the murderous doctor Harold Shipman have been used to tarnish the healthcare professions ……and undermine the effectiveness of the full range of those acting as advocates for patients.

Since the membership of CMA opened to all healthcare professionals and health managers some 18 months ago, an increasing number of both those directly involved in clinical care and those in administrative roles report overt bullying in favour of targets to the exclusion of good standards of care.

Dr Walker considers the test for any healthcare professional should be that the level of care being provided matches that which they would expect for one of their own family.

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35 Responses to Euthanasia widely practised – Catholic Medical Association

  1. toadspittle says:

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    “The standards of medical ethics and of interpretation of existing legislation appear to vary greatly around the country and from one organisation to the next, even in the same local area,” said Dr Walker.

    In fact, inevitably, they vary from individual to individual.
    Toad’s notions are probably many miles from anyone else’s on CP&S rergarding this matter.
    He believes he has the right, if in sound mind, to take his own life when he feels it is sensible to do so. And would like this option to be made a lot easier.
    More importantly, he would very much like to be able to instruct others to take his life under certain dire circumstances where he was no longer in control of it.

    But he can’t. Officially.

    Thanks, he thinks, to religion.

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  2. Gertrude says:

    You are right Toad. These views do differ enormously from my own view on the sanctity of life – at both ends of the age spectrum. However I am aware of a lobby of people, particularly with life threatening conditions who share what they believe to be their ‘right to die’ at a time of their choosing.

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  3. kathleen says:

    Toad,
    We are all scared of pain and suffering, and of a long drawn out agony at the end of our lives – that is normal. Even with palliative care, such a cross is very heavy indeed for both the person involved, and for his/her loved ones.

    Just think though of the graces bestowed on those who offer up this redemptive suffering! Why forfeit Heaven by refusing to accept this sacrifice asked of you?

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “2280….It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honour and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.”

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  4. toadspittle says:

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    Toad is not so much scared of pain and suffering (although he’d naturally sooner not have it) – he has much faith in the likes of Burrito and modern medical drugs – what bothers him most is being reduced to a point where he is not himself any more – recognises nobody, cannot do anything for himself, remembers nothing, is effectively a zombie.
    This is happening more frequently, as we all know. Rewards for longevity, one supposes.
    But Toad would rather it didn’t happen to him. He would prefer someone to kill him on his behalf, and with his blessing. Legally.
    And is prepared to sign papers to that effect if it were possible.

    Of course, he only speaks for himself. And it needn’t be compulsory.

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  5. kathleen says:

    But if this were to happen, before losing one’s lucidity, this time at the end of your life as a “zombie” (which of course you would not be) can be offered up just as much as an active life lived well for God!

    There are wonderful examples amongst the saints. St. Katherine Drexel is a good one: after a long life of zealous work and generosity for the deprived races of the United States, she was reduced to 20 years of complete passivity before her death. She often said this period was more fruitful than all the rest!
    “The patient and humble endurance of the cross – whatever nature it may be – is the highest work we have to do.”

    http://catholicfire.blogspot.com/2006/03/st-katharine-drexel-her-lenten.html

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  6. Brother Burrito says:

    You make ‘taking your own life’ sound so nice, Toad.

    It’s still murder though.

    When the time comes, what you need is a good Catholic doctor/palliative nurse who will happily appraise your grim situation, and ensure that you die naturally with minimal or no suffering.

    That way, you will enter the next world with no murderous guilt upon your soul, and nothing but gratitude for your last (God-provided) carers.

    I wish the same thing for myself and for all our readers.

    Everyone around the world deserves a dignified natural death, in the company of the Heavenly Host.

    Support the hospice movement.

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  7. Brother Burrito says:

    This is a very relevant and pressing question Toad. In the West, due to our enhanced longevity, more people are surviving to an age where mental decline becomes crippling, and a burden to others.

    Old age/dotage has been called the second childhood. As an infant, you recognised nobody, were incapable of self care, remembered nothing, and were effectively a zombie, though you were very cute cuddly and compact, I am sure.

    Your mother worked tirelessly to help you through this stage, and for no pay more than their bed and board. A mother’s care is priceless, yet costs nothing to the child. Motherhood has no business case.

    The harsh fact is that to provide the same level of love and devotion to our elderly incapable and demented brethren, we are going to need, as a society, to step up to the plate to the same degree.

    Discuss.

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  8. toadspittle says:

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    “You make ‘taking your own life’ sound so nice, Toad.”

    Says Burro. What can he mean? Toad uses no euphemisms. He talks of killing himself, or having some obliging person kill him if and when he’s ga-ga.
    Which is not ‘nice,’ in the slightest. And he hopes he won’t have to consider it for a few years yet.
    As to Kathleen’s Saint Katherine, if she could speak of her ‘fruitful period’ then she must have been lucid.
    That is not what Toad is on about at all.
    Burro knows.

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  9. corjesujse says:

    The problem, Toadspittle, is that once consigned to hospice, “palliative care” often means being given great amounts of morphine. Morphine takes away lucidity. Morphine also taxes the respiratory system, often to the point of death. There are many hospice patients who have no nutrition or hydration for up to two weeks before they die. The only thing they are given is morphine.

    If you want to maintain lucidity, forgo hospice. If you want to die a natural death, avoid hospice.

    I speak as a former hospice volunteer.

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  10. Brother Burrito says:

    I agree that morphine can prevent lucidity, but analgesia can prevent despair, which is the worst thing to have as you face death.

    It is my “death plan” to face it ‘au naturelle’ if I can. Who knows the conditions of their own death?

    I speak as an anaesthetist with a special interest in palliation.

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  11. corjesujse says:

    I would say the worst thing to face as death approaches is to be unprepared to meet God. Having complete control of the faculties so that one can make peace with God, a proper act of contrition, and receive the Sacraments should be the uppermost concern for a Catholic.

    Suffering, of course, is a great consideration, but when looked upon with the eyes of Faith it is recognized as a blessing. We can and should unite the pain with the sufferings of Christ. They will then have great merit. To use morphine to a degree that one is unconscious is not the way pain should be treated. Take the edge off, yes, but don’t lose control of the mind and will.

    The most important thing is to die a natural death. The time to go must be determined by God, not man.

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  12. toadspittle says:

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    Toad is clearly not making himself clear.

    It would be nice to be “in complete control of the faculties.”

    Unfortunately, there are a growing number of those who are not, Toad thinks.
    And he would prefer not to be one of them.

    He’d rather be dead.

    The unfortunate people here – the ones suffering – are not the senile demented, but their families.

    If God wanted everyone to die a “natural death” in complete control of his or her faculties, surely He would arrange things that way?

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  13. Brother Burrito says:

    I fully agree with you corjesujse.

    Dying should be more widely discussed. It is the last taboo, however, and so many people arrive near it unprepared.

    I make a point of gently reminding all relatives of patients dying, or in peril of dying, that now is the time to call the priest or minister to the bedside. Very few act on this, sadly. (I speak from the UK).

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  14. Gertrude says:

    I think the point that Dr. Walker is making is that euthanasia, whether we like it or not is widespread in our hospitals.
    In an ideal world, all Catholics would have the consolation of Holy Church as they approach death, and all believing Christians the comfort of their minister or pastor. That Catholics hesitate to call the priest is often due to their loved one (for whatever reason) having ‘fallen’ away and in some cases hostile to some of the principles of our faith.
    I cannot speak of the hospice movement, which I have always supported, but am inclined to agree with corjesujse that death in a morphine induced coma is not a way I would wish to approach the Throne of the Most High, but, many do not have an option to choose, and in coming to terms with impending death it would be common to accept the perceived wisdom of medics in that morphine is the only answer. I am not of the opinion that morphine is not an effective analgesic – I know it is; but the quantities used in some places are worrying as are the resultant hallucinatory experiences of the dying.
    Underlying this is the fact the ‘a good death’ with the ministrations of Holy Church is a state to be desired and in fact prayed for.
    You are right Burro – death is the last taboo, and yet as in the Incarnation it is a condition of our humanity.
    May the souls of all those you have loved, through the mercy of God rest in peace.

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  15. corjesujse says:

    Please read today’s article by Matt Abbott:
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/110401

    Catholic nurse recounts hospice horror, says doctor euthanized priest
    By Matt C. Abbott

    Some will recall that March 31 was the sixth anniversary of the court-ordered murder of Terri Schiavo. (Click here to read about the tragedy.)

    Terri’s execution was, according to Ron Panzer, president of Hospice Patients Alliance, “accomplished at The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.” He notes that the hospice’s CEO, Mary Labyak, “has been a member of the board of directors of the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization as well as Partnership for Caring, a successor to the Euthanasia Society of America.”

    Panzer also notes that Michael Schiavo’s attorney, George Felos, a euthanasia advocate, was chairman of Suncoast’s board when Terri was brought there for the purpose of killing her.

    “The public still does not realize that Terri was taken from us to fulfill a hospice-euthanasia partnership, fulfilling their agenda in an ‘in your face’ demonstration of what they can do, are doing, and will do to others,” asserts Panzer.

    In recent days, Panzer received the following (edited) e-mail from registered nurse and Illinoisan Wendy Ludwig, who recounts the horror of witnessing the euthanizing of an elderly Catholic priest:

    ‘Hello, I spoke with you [Ron Panzer] some years ago about the many killings taking place within hospice. You may remember me; I’m an RN, BSN. Not long after I spoke with you, my father died of leukemia, and the following year my mother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and died in 2009.

    ‘I’m contacting you again, asking for your help in trying to somehow stop the horrible hospice killings and euthanasia that occur even in hospitals. I know so many people not even terminally ill whom hospice quickly killed. I’m so upset, horrified and angry about this. In my area, the hospice went on an ‘advertising campaign,’ writing articles in the local newspaper, handing out flyers to doctors’ offices and trying to drum up support from local clergy by going around to each church asking to set up a meeting with them so they can ‘explain the benefits of hospice.’

    ‘It’s truly terrible where I live. It’s not uncommon to see a patient eating in a restaurant with his or her family one week and the following week be dead after hospice has come in. When my mother was ill, she made absolutely clear that she did not want hospice anywhere near her, yet the hospital forced drugs on her, did many tactics to hasten her death and ended up doing as they pleased, coming up with some strange medical power-of-attorney that no one had seen before. It was truly awful. For the rest of my life it will affect me, and there is never a day that I do not think about it. I did everything I possibly could, but they still found ways to not treat infections, to deny her enough fluid, to do so many things, and it did not matter what I said or did — or what she said, for that matter.

    ‘I’m currently seeking a new career, because as a pro-life Catholic, I cannot in good conscience work in hospitals anymore. Even the Catholic hospitals support hospice in one way or another. I can tell you honestly that I’m not aware of any hospice that is good. Everyone I know who has gone to a hospice in any state that I know of has been murdered by hospice.

    ‘It’s been so overwhelming to me. What’s so unbelievable is the way that hospice can convince people they are doing ‘good’ and ‘mercy’ for their loved ones. It appears to me that they use a type of forceful brainwashing where they take the family at their most vulnerable time, convince them the only way the patient won’t suffer is by using hospice, and lie to them about what is actually happening. Even when people feel like something isn’t right, they do nothing, somehow believing what hospice has told them. With such an ‘ad campaign’ in the newspapers and elsewhere, I don’t know how to begin to make people understand what hospice is doing. It’s notable also that once a family member dies in hospice care, people do not want to hear the truth; it seems they defend hospice profoundly, probably because they don’t want to think that they have just let their loved one be murdered.

    ‘I witnessed a doctor euthanizing a Catholic priest who stated in no uncertain terms that he did not want hospice. The priest did not have cancer or any other terminal illness. He was 94, still saying Mass and very active. When the priest needed knee surgery for an injury to his knee, the doctor decided it was time to call in hospice. The priest adamantly and angrily refused. So the doctor took his medicine away and started to give him ‘pain pills’ even though the priest said he was not in pain.

    ‘The priest was in a nursing home following his knee injury and was getting physical therapy. He had been also prescribed large doses of Coumadin by the doctor. I went to visit him one day and found him bruising all over, so I demanded that the nursing home call an ambulance. When they refused to call an ambulance and said the doctor was aware, I told them the priest was bruised all over his body and that he needed to go to the hospital. I told them that if an ambulance was not called, I was going to call the police. He was taken to the hospital and was told he had been given too much Coumadin and that he would need to stay in the hospital for a few days.

    ‘While in the hospital, the doctor refused him food and fluids. I called the elder abuse hotline and when the doctor found out they were coming, he began IV feedings, but also began drugging the priest with morphine. The priest told me what they were doing. I waited for the doctor with a friend and I told him I was aware of what was going on and that the elder abuse hotline would again be called. The doctor pounded on the patient’s chest and said, ‘Does he seem awake enough to you?!’ He called the family, which lived in another state, and they came. I received a call one day asking for me to come and visit Father because he was asking to see me. I went to see him; he was resting comfortably.

    ‘He was in an ICU and I was watching the monitors. His heart rate and breathing were regular and stable. Not long after I arrived, I was taken to a waiting room and the family was there. A short time later the nurse came and got the family but told me to stay in the waiting room. I had a terrible feeling; I went to the nurses’ station and the curtain was pulled in Father’s room. I heard a priest saying prayers over him, the family in the room as well. I was told I could not go in. I told them I had forgotten my purse in the room, but I was not allowed to go in and get it.

    ‘I stood outside and heard the nurse telling the family that they were giving him another dose of medicine and taking off his oxygen. I was told to go back to the waiting room. I knew what was happening: The doctor had viciously called me to sit in the waiting room while he euthanized the priest. I left the hospital, and before I got home, I received a call that the priest had passed away.

    ‘About a month later, the local newspaper printed a story about an ‘honor’ this doctor was given by the hospital. It seemed quite planned in its timing. Right after the priest died, an anonymous letter was sent to the doctor informing him that people were aware of what he was doing to patients. A Catholic nun had also witnessed this same doctor giving a fentanyl patch in a terminal dose to another nun, who died within hours of receiving the patch. A few weeks after that letter was sent, the story appeared in the paper ‘honoring’ this doctor. The woman who was with me when the doctor pounded on the priest’s chest thought that because the doctor was on the hospital’s board, the ‘honor’ was probably given to distract people who may have heard of his tactics from believing what was said about him. The doctor still practices at the hospital.

    ‘I have many other horror stories.’

    Related links:

    Vatican commentary on end-of-life care

    “Quiet euthanasia”

    Terri Schiavo Life and Hope Network

    Hospice Patients Alliance

    © Matt C. Abbott

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  16. toadspittle says:

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    This is one of the most significant ‘posts’ we have had for several days. Even more so, in Toad’s humble opinion, than the fact that angels are responsible for earthquakes, which is pretty earth-shattering, in itself.

    A long account of how a priest was possibly “euthaniased” against his, and others’ wishes raises issues.
    Well, Toad does not want that to happen. Nobody should be killed against their, or their families’ wishes.

    But if the ‘victim’ has already expressed his – or her – desire not to be kept pointlessly alive when their brain has, by all appearances, ceased to operate, so what?
    We are told that God does not want us to kill ourselves. But how do we know that is true?
    Because God says so, apparently. Oh, well.

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  17. radtrad3 says:

    One Friday, my sister called to say that she and my mother signed papers to place our dad in the “care” of Hospice. Just the word “hospice” was enough to send up a red-flag for me! I protested, but she said “It already has been done”. Later, my husband, children and I were at my dad’s bedside. He seemed fine, talkative, joking, reminiscing, discussing the state of the economy & world. We could have easily been in my parent’s living room, but it was his hospital room on a floor the nurses called “the Death Ward”…their words not mine.

    They told me patients come in alive and leave dead. It was a Sunday afternoon. He had pneumonia and emphysema, but no pain. A Hospice representative told my husband and I, “This may sound crass, but with regards to Hospice and how we work it comes down to money. Hospice is losing money every day your father is in this hospital. He will need to leave one way or another…we will give him until Thursday.”

    Thus began a steady stream of medical personnel coming into his room to give him “treatments”. I asked what it was that they were giving him and was told “morphine & adavan, to make him comfortable for the pain”. However, he HAD NO PAIN. As the treatments took their affect, my father could no longer eat the solid food given him by Monday, though he ate fine the day before. Repeatedly I asked for something soft, for liquids but none came. On Wednesday, a doctor came in and ordered “an injection”. I pointedly asked her if what she had just ordered would kill my father, since his blood pressure at that point was so low. She was so taken aback that I knew this that for several moments she just stared at me with her jaw dropped and opened; she then, in a dead-tone voice said, “Oh, I forgot”. That is all this doctor of medicine said to me…”Oh, I forgot”.

    I stayed by my dad’s side for 48hrs until the nurses and family members convinced me to leave and get some rest. During the two hours I was gone, he died– right on cue for Hospice early Thursday morning. The undertaker said his body was in the worst condition he had ever seen. My father…who all his life was trim and fit and everyone said looked ten years or more younger than he actually was.

    “The Emperor has no clothes” and “Hospice and euthanasia are synonymous.

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  18. radtrad3 says:

    One Friday, my sister called to say that she and my mother signed papers to place our dad in the “care” of Hospice. Just the word “hospice” was enough to send up a red-flag for me! I protested, but she said “It already has been done”. Later, my husband, children and I were at my dad’s bedside. He seemed fine, talkative, joking, reminiscing, and discussing the state of the economy & world. We could have easily been in my parent’s living room, but it was his hospital room on a floor the nurses called “the Death Ward”…their words not mine. They told me patients come in alive and leave dead. It was a Sunday afternoon. He had pneumonia and emphysema, but no pain.

    A Hospice representative told my husband and me, “This may sound crass, but with regards to Hospice and how we work it comes down to money. Hospice is losing money every day your father is in this hospital. He will need to leave one way or another…we will give him until Thursday.” Thus began a steady stream of medical personnel coming into his room to give him “treatments”. I asked what it was that they were giving him and was told “morphine & adavan, to make him comfortable for the pain”. However, he HAD NO PAIN. As the treatments took their affect, my father could no longer eat the solid food given him by Monday, though he ate fine the day before. Repeatedly I asked for something soft, for liquids but none came.

    On Wednesday, a doctor came in and ordered “an injection”. I pointedly asked her if what she had just ordered would kill my father, since his blood pressure at that point was so low. She was so taken aback that I knew this that for several moments she just stared at me with her jaw dropped and opened; she then, in a dead-tone voice said, “Oh, I forgot”. That is all this doctor of medicine said to me…”Oh, I forgot”.

    I stayed by my dad’s side for 48hrs until the nurses and family members convinced me to leave and get some rest. During the two hours I was gone, he died– right on cue for Hospice early Thursday morning. The undertaker said his body was in the worst condition he had ever seen. My father…who all his life was trim and fit and everyone said looked ten years or more younger than he actually was.

    “The Emperor has no clothes” and “Hospice and euthanasia are synonymous.

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  19. Mimi says:

    Dear God, what utterly terrifying stories! I reckon I’ll think twice next time I pass someone collecting money to support a hospice. 😦

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  20. Brother Burrito says:

    Mimi,

    The basic idea of hospices as places that provide dignified and ethical care for the dying is a good one.

    The worry is that euthanasia may insinuate itself into such places, and become endemic.

    Eternal vigilance is needed, as always. Good Catholics need to keep the watch, and sound the alarm.

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  21. toadspittle says:

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    One can always find terrifying stories about anything, Mimi. Even Catholic priests.

    Burro is right, as usual. Vigilance is the watchword!

    “Hospice and euthanasia are synonymous. says radtrad3
    Bit of a sweeping statement, surely? Are there no Catholic hospices? (There are, indeed, because Toad just put ‘catholic hospices’ into a websearch and got a lot of ‘hits’.)

    One might also say, “Car and crash” are synonymous. (Or ‘priest and pedophile.’)

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  22. Mimi says:

    Ah! Well said, Toad. Point taken!

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  23. corjesujse says:

    Toad,

    So because the name “Catholic” is applied to hospice that means the hospice is safe? That’s rather a sweeping statement, Toad.

    There are “Catholic” nurses in hospice who see nothing wrong with the above practices. Catholic medical students are being trained with the wrong perspective regarding ethical end of life practices. I know because I have witnessed this first hand.

    If you ever are in a position where you or a loved one must decide on hospice, educate yourself and ask plenty of questions…and still be mistrustful. Consult a trustworthy priest about it as well.

    Remember, Terri Schiavo had her life taken in hospice.

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  24. Gertrude says:

    I tend to agree with Burro regarding vigilance. Hospices in the UK are generally run as charities, and rely solely on fund raising. I believe small amounts are given by central government, but these in no way cover the costs involved in their running. In my home town we have a highly respected and well thought of hospice. I have never heard of the ability to pay being a reason for ‘quick input’, as no-one does pay. From your comments it would appear that Hospice care in the USA is run differently.
    Thank you all for your comments on a very emotive subject.

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  25. eileen chmielewski says:

    I have written to another site concerning hospice and dying elderly in a catholic hospital. My mom at 99yrs old was very alert. She had to leave her assisted living of 10yrs because of decling physical condition, and went to a catholic nursing home alert, still able to walk to the bathroom with her walker and abservation, she did have a history of falls. She was only in the nursing home total of 20 some days with 2 hospital admisssions. She also had vomiting spells but had an upper endo and nothing wrong. First admission she asperated when she vomited in her bed and was found on the 3rd shift by oncoming nurse , the second shift nurse was so lazy she never saw her patients. She even told me well it is just hard to be 99 when I tried to get her to see my mom one day, she never entered the room for 3hrs after that. The next time she was sent back to the hospital and ws admitted, they were doing a repeat endo and after she came back to her room and eat she vomited more her temperature droped and breathing very hard. She was put on a face mask, and was not responding only to physical stimuli. Her attending dr was off so the covering was ordering morphine and I said no she is not in any pain, so they used ativan instead
    lost her iv and claimed for 3 days they had not access. I found someone to start one on the 3rd evening. She lived 2 1/2 weeks, but after that I started getting call every morning at 8am wanting me to meet with hospice I made it very clear I did not like hospice had experience with them when my husband died in 1992. After servaeral meeting I was told 3 days before she died that they would move her that day to anywhere. I told them this was total discomfort and me or my daughter would like to go with her I wnr t to the final meeting and they said they had a bed and she could stay 3-5 days inpatient hospice, well I did not want to move her so I had to accept the Hospice and she died on the 3rd dau after they took away her warming blanket, antibiotics, and steroid medications for her aspiration pneumonia and also lower her iv to 20/hr. After she passed thwey called me every month to join there grieving goup and sent letters saying it has been 3 monthes since she died until at 5 monthes I lost my cousin and the next day a letter saing it has been 5 monthes my husband called and threated to call a laywer if they did not stop. I had no say even with poa as
    her only child and was told it was hospital adfministeration who wanted her out of the hospital she had pleanty of insurance.

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  26. eileen chmielewski says:

    Today I just read about a scientist who just got sentenced to 5 monmths home confinement for
    giving his mother crushed morpine in small amt of water, he claims he did it out of compassion,
    but the judge even though he could see he did it thru careing still legally had this obligation
    to pass sentence. If this can happen to an individual why is hospice exempt from this kind
    of legal action. Is it because there are an organization . So legally wrong on a individual basis.

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  27. john meehan says:

    i, think the liverpool pretended care pathway is that much of a talking point, with a vast amount of people making complaints about how awfull a treatment this so called care pathway, it should not be too long before its terminated itself.no one can tell me starving and dehydrating, then pumping morphine in them with syringe drivers, this is not how to treating someone who is very ill.when you are ill in yourself you dont want to eat its nature if you feeling unwell.but they will put an x in your pathway box for not eating.the only x es that should be used are on littlewoods pools liverpool. please complain about the ,the liverpool care pathway, it could be you next.

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  28. john meehan says:

    hl, eileen it is worth knowing the nazi mengali used morpine exprimenting with prisoners in the 2nd world war,it seems like we are going back to the holocost days, it looks that way to me.keep up your true words.

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  29. Gertrude says:

    I actually agree = the Liverpool Care pathway is far from ideal, and since it was exercised in relation to someone very dear to me, without either consulatation or agreement, I perhaps feel a little too near to be impartial enough to comment further. Thank you for your comments.

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  30. john meehan says:

    god bless you gertrude mankind do some awful things sometimes and then say sorry, but sorry is to late for the peoples lives taken away, that includes abortion,god will have the final judgement. have a nice christmas .love john.

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  31. Alyson. says:

    My Nan, went into hospital with a water infection. She had been diagnosed with Cervical Cancer Stage 2. She had been referred for Radiotherapy by her Consultant. My Nan had a chest xray,
    it showed something, the doctors were not sure what.
    My Nan, had T.B, twice when she was young, she had suffered with chest problems too.
    We were told she would have a CT Scan.
    She was 82 years old and had early stages of Dementia. Nan had day’s of normality and day’s of confusion, she understood her illness and was looking forward to treatment,The tumor was pressing on nerve endings and making walking difficult.The Cancer Consultant said, once the Radiotherapy had shrunk the tumor, he believed she would be able to walk better.

    She was upset one evening when we, the family left after visiting, she had a fall, the cot sides were put up on the bed. I called the hospital as we were concerned about her, she appeared dehydrated.The Nurse told me they had sent for a Doctor, to sedate Nan for her own safety. I was told a Doctor would come the following morning.
    A Doctor did come and tapped Nan gently on the shoulder and said her name, he then announced she was dying and would be put on the Liverpool Pathway. He said, if Nan did come round she would never be the same. He believed she was hours or days from death. Family were contacted and the Hospital Priest arrived and gave, The Last Rites.
    My Nan was in a deep sleep and could not be woken, she was washed and changed. We were told she had cancer in her brain, bones etc. No tests were done to prove this, not ever. She had just been diagnosed ONLY ELEVEN DAYS, going into hospital. She had seen a top Cancer Consultant, only one tumor was revealed , NO SECONDARY’S only eleven days previous to this. She was on very low pain medication, then suddenly, Morphine was injected via the stomach and sedatives orally. I begged for a drip, we were given an A4 sheet telling us about the Pathway.
    I rang her G.P. whom said without Medical evidence, he as a Doctor could not believe it. He had only visited Nan the day before going into Hospital.
    I rang and left messages with her Cancer Consultant, I never got a reply.
    I asked for a meeting, two Nurses attended, I was armed with questions, they could not answer anything. I was just fobbed off.
    My Nan was shipped out of the Hospital after eleven days, to a Hospice, she was still able to eat small amounts and drink.
    Nan arrived on the Wednesday, she had soup, ice cream,strawberries,tea etc. She was very confused, by Friday, the Hospice Doctor came with a Syringe Driver, I knew what was coming I told him this is so cruel. He asked if I would like to talk. I agreed and went with him. I asked why the Syringe Driver and how do they know the Cancer had spread, he said his job was to keep Nan pain free and calm. He told me that the Syringe Driver contained Morphine and Midazalam, The Midazalam numbed the senses of the brain. They did not know with certainty if the Cancer had spread. Why is she on the Pathway, this Doctor said he was only there to keep the Patient comfortable. My Nan was last awake on the Saturday, she had wanted a Commode and had used one all the time in the Hospice a Catheter was put in.
    Her mouth stayed wide open, she never moved a limb. She was wet through from sweat, her hair was matted and her cheeks flushed.
    Her eyes opened once on the Monday, not focusing, no blinking, eye’s red and blood shot, I got my head onto her pillow and told her it was OK to go, her Mum and Dad were waiting for her, a small tiny tear appeared in the corner of her right eye. we were horrified.
    Her Midazalam was increased as was Morphine, I wrote this down daily,
    We were told not to bother using the Sponge like Lollipop’s to keep Nan’s mouth moist. My Nan’s mouth was so sore and purple in color.
    The following Day, a nurse came who actually was on the Ward Nan was on, the previous week.
    We told the Nurse and she said cause you can, she put the Sponge stick into Nan’s mouth immediately her mouth clamped down, it was like her last fight for survival,her mouth had remained open with her chin down for three days.
    One side of her face ice cold the other warm, I left Tuesday Evening, MY LOVELY NAN DIED in the early hours of Wednesday morning 2 and 1/2 weeks after going into Hospital.
    We have a Petition in Memory of my Nan. Marion Haigh Awareness ipetitions.
    Please anybody who wants to help us to get 1500 signatures, so we can take this to Parliament, please do sign.
    You can do this anonymously, we need to protect our Terminally ill and our Elderly. My Nan had no Human Rights at all. I have spoken to M.P’s. I have written to the Prime Minister and several others. It seems to be Cost over Care.
    If every thing possible is done and all the Medical Evidence is there, the patient and family consulted and that is their wish, that is choice.
    Sadly so many have no choice, no evidence and no Human Rights.

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  32. john meehan says:

    alyson, i am deeply sorry how your nan was treated, but the exact same thing happened to a relative of mine when telling her it was best for her to go, she also was in a coma, but opened her eyes and a tear ran down her cheek, turned her head grimished a little and then passed away.she also had been starved for 10 days, under the liverpool pathway, notice i missed out the care.the truth will eventually come out about how wrong the l c p is.

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  33. Alyson. says:

    Dear John,
    Thanks so very much for your reply. So very much needs to be done, so very many people
    have no idea about the L.C.P. Please could you help by signing our petition?
    We need 1,500 signatures to take this to Parliament.
    Many thanks again, I am so very sorry that you and your relative have suffered, it is just so awful.
    If I can be of help to you in any way, please contact me.
    Kind Regards.
    Alyson

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  34. john meehan says:

    alyson, so sorry about the late reply, please email to enable me to try and give you, some advice on your sad event, we could exchange details in private, kindest regards john.

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  35. Alyson. says:

    John, tried to mail you it has failed?
    Alyson.

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