This from Independent Catholic News (please pay them a visit) :
Posted: Friday, April 1, 2011 7:51 pm
Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali
Following the killing of UN workers in Afghanistan today, in a protest about the burning of the Koran in the USA, Anglican Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali issued the following statement:
‘Since the initial threat by Terry Jones to burn the Koran I have been saying that this kind of irresponsible action will result in outbreaks of violence against Christians and others.
‘It was with sadness that I read that the Koran has been burnt. I have warned in the past that if this happened it would create a backlash. And that backlash could include the threat of violence against Christians and churches.
‘It is no part of Christian mission to insult other peoples’ beliefs. Our task is to faithfully commend the good news of God in the person of Jesus Christ. We seek to do this with love and with respect for everyone. And we seek also the freedom everywhere to be able to share our faith. ‘
Source: CoE Comms
Catholicism Pure & Simple 
To maliciously insult a group or individual can indeed have no part with Christian practice, but if secular religions receive the truth as an insult because they resent the Christ it is they who lack charity, not the ‘insulter.’
Don’t forget, the religious thinkers and sects of Christ’s time were insulted by Christ’s preaching for which reason they placed Him on the cross. (Matthew 27:18) Christ vehemently rebuked the Jews for their hypocrisy and their false religion founded on “traditions of men” and who shall dare say He was wrong? This is a lesson for the apostles of these last times that the sin of human respect may never have part with Catholic thought or practice. The very commission of the Church is to correct the world and draw all peoples out of their particular religion through conversion that they may come to the knowledge of their Creator and Redeemer in the Roman Catholic Church, outside of which He does not abide.
Very often today we deny or compromise our Faith just to make other groups happy, only because we’re not willing to be rejected by men. But is this not selfish? Our so-called ecumenical alliance with the secular synagogue today is destroying the work of charity in the Church, unless of course we think that Judas’ alliance with the Jews was an act of charity. We don’t need that kind of charity. Stabbing Christ in the back for wordly gain only incurs His wrath and destroys the souls of those we claim to be helping. The Church’s policy with Jews, Gentiles and infidels for 2000 years was perfect and needs no change, so if the hierarchy today has any mind to clean up their filthy household and get back to saving souls they need to scrap modern methods and return to the divine remedies handed down by Christ through holy tradition. The Church since Vatican II has been laboring all night in the dark with little success because its ministers haven’t learned to take Christ at His word and let their nets down the traditional way. They’ve been employing the invention of their own hands [innovation, reform] and what have been the fruits of their labors but escalating divorce, infidelity, heresy, apostasy, immoralty, homosexuality, even culminating now with the sexual abuse scandal – the end product of their alternative thinking.
If the clergy today are serious about doing good let them heed and put into practice the counsel of St. Paul: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thess. 5:21) Let them also consider this verse from St. Luke: “Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him shall the Son of Man also confess before the angels of God. But he that shall deny Me before men, shall be denied before the angels of God.” (12: 8,9) If the bishops would simply reflect on this and show willingness to “be hated by all men for Christ’s sake” it would put the Church on the path of recovery and resume its evangelical mission of bringing God’s love to humanity. Let the clergy and laity adopt these verses as their Lenten meditation this year.
David Martin
Our Lady’s Workers of Southern California
jmj4today@att.net
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“The Church since Vatican II… has been employing the invention of their own hands [innovation, reform] and what have been the fruits of their labors but escalating divorce, infidelity, heresy, apostasy, immoralty, homosexuality, even culminating now with the sexual abuse scandal – the end product of their alternative thinking. “
In other words, somebody, back in 1962, should have said, “If we go ahead with this reform, we will have a lot of pedophile priests on our hands.”
Interesting that the Catholic Church itself is held responsible for these evils by some.
Mr.(?) Martin also seems to regard Islam as a ‘secular religion.’ Possibly. Toad is puzzled, but open to suggestion.
“Christ vehemently rebuked the Jews for their hypocrisy and their false religion founded on “traditions of men” and who shall dare say He was wrong?”
Toad would have thought it was pretty obvious ‘who shall dare.’ Jews and Muslims, for a start.
The point is, all this is divisive. The world would be better off without any of it. (In Toad’s opinion.)
But. Ain’t gonna happen. We will go on bickering and murdering one another in the name of God until the last syllable of recorded time. Cheered on, one rather suspects, by Mr. Martin.
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Response to Toad:
Yes, there were agents back at Vatican II who planned just that, namely the destruction of the Faith. But these people were Masonic infiltrators and did not represent the Catholic Faith as did the good popes John XXIII and Paul VI who were against the reform. Pope John cried out in 1962: “Stop the Council!” Paul VI said, “It cannot be tolerated that any individual [bishop] should on his own authority modify the formulas used by the Council of Trent to propose the Eucharistic mystery for our belief.” (September 3, 1965) Thereby he washed his hands of the liturgical reform which many people falsely attribute to him.
And yes, Islam is a secular religion, spawned most especially by the devil. Mohammed was the founder and father of pedophilers who forced a seven year old girl to marry him, and that’s a fact! The religion he founded teaches that the way you get to heaven is by killing off anyone who is a non-Muslim, and that too is a fact.
However, there are many good Muslims throughout the world, but the reason they are good is because of their personal merit and Christian leanings (which comes from Christ’s promptings), it has nothing to do with their religious blueprint. Most Muslims do not follow the Islamic credo and often make good Catholics later.
David Martin
jmj4today@att.net
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“Pope John cried out in 1962: “Stop the Council!” ” jmj4tday informs us.
I respectfully suggest that jmj4tday has slightly misrepresented Pope John’s view of the council.
The well known study “The Rhine flows into the Tiber” by Fr. Ralph M. Wiltgern provides evidence for a different view. Here are two extracts:
“On May 28 [1963], when Cardinal Ccognani told him that the entire world was praying for him, the Pope smiled and, after a short silence, said, “Since the whole world is praying for the sick Pope, it is only natural that some intention should be given to this prayer. If God should wish the sacrifice of the life of the Pope, then may that sacrifice succeed in obtaining abundant favours for the Ecumenical Council, for the Holy Church, and for mankind, which longs for peace”. (p.72)
More directly:
“The Council!”he had said. God knows that with simplicity I have opened the smallness of my soul to the greatness of this inspiration. Will he allow me to finish it? Should he do so, may he be blessed. And if he does not allow me to finish it?… Then I shall watch its joyful conclusion from heaven, where I hope – rather, where I am certain – the Divine Mercy will draw me”. (p.73)
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“Yes, there were agents back at Vatican II who planned just that, namely the destruction of the Faith. But these people were Masonic infiltrators …”
Ah, yes, the Masons! Toad remembers his dear old Dad saying, “It’s all the fault of the Jews and the Masons.”
He’d quite forgotten them. Fair takes us back does it not?
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…However, Toad was moved by Mr.Martin’s talk of ‘secular religion’ to look up the word ‘secular’ in his American heritage dictionary.
He finds:
SECULAR: 1: Worldly rather than spiritual. 2: Not specifically relating to religion or a religious body. 3: Relating to or advocating secularism.
There seem three alternatives here to Toad:
1: Islam is not a religion.
2: The dictionary has got it wrong.
3: Mr. Martin is talking nonsense.
Hard to know which? .
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Toad,
One might suggest that he is fumbling around for a way to express a distinction between “man-made” and “God-made” religion. But then again even that won’t work as he claims Islam was “spawned especially by the devil”. — The devil presumably is “spiritual” in his own idiosyncratic way. Option 3 then I guess.
“The Church’s policy with Jews, Gentiles and infidels for 2000 years was perfect ”
One might quibble a bit about that.
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Comment to Badger:
John XXIII on his death bed offered himself as a victim soul with the petition that some good be drawn from the Ecumenical Council, namely, that the Council be used to restate holy tradition as he originally intended. He was not a reformer and had even warned the bishops in 1962 to refrain from any change or reform.
The Council was not even his own initiative, but after three years of pressure and persuasion from modernist bishops (who had deceived him) he was finally convinced that a council could be used for good (which indeed it could have been had it gone the way he and the good clerics had intended), but unfortunately when the doors of the Council were opened the storm of conspiracy rushed in which is what caused John XXIII to stop the Council in 1962. This is precisely why he was praying so ardently and offering himself because he wanted God to deliverer the Church from the devil who had hyjacked Vatican II. He virtually died of a broken heart (with a little help from his ‘friends’ who expedited his hospice with medication)
The Council was re-opened in September 1963 by Pope Paul VI but neither was it his initiative to have a council. The Freemasons sweet talked him and simply used him as the key to open the Council as they did with his predecessor. He would later lament the outcome of Vatican II on June 29, 1972, when he declared to the world, “From some fissure the smoke of Satan entered into the temple of God.”
It should also be pointed too that the previous 20 councils of the Church were all listed as ecumenical councils which they truly were. Vatican II was the first council that was not truly ecumenical, but had only corrupted and used that term to sell modernism. It’s what we call “false ecumenism” where we invite seculars to come in and have a share in drafting up a new religion, something that John XXIII was DEAD against.
It should also be pointed out that John XXIII lies incorrupt today in Rome, which will tell you that he is a glorious martyr and saint!
David Martin
jmj4today@att.net
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Thank you for that grammatically correct account.
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“It should also be pointed out that John XXIII lies incorrupt today in Rome, which will tell you that he is a glorious martyr and saint!”
Interesting point here from Mr.Marrtin. Assuming the late Pope’s ‘incorruption’ to be a fact, why should that indicate his saintliness? Is there something wrong with the normal processes of decay after death? Something ‘sinful’ perhaps?
Toad has always agreed that we are dust and will return to dust. What’s wrong with that?
By the way, if Mr.Martin is correct, how do we know Pope XXlll is ‘incorrupt? Is he still above ground somewhere? Was he enbalmed at all?
And if he’s incorrupt in Rome today, he’s probably the only thing that is, what with Berlusconi and all.
Questions, questions! (Still, there,s another comment or three.)
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Reply for Toad:
No one said or even hinted that dying by normal means is decadent or indicative of one’s unworthiness. However, when one has been preserved incorrupt by the Almighty it is a sure sign of one’s sanctity and election and that God is raising such a person up before the world as someone most privileged.
John XXIII died in 1963 with no embalment, and now lies incorrupt in Rome. His body is on display in open casket for all to behold.
DM
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