What did the Cloyne Report Really Say?

In all of the media furore it has been difficult to discern what it was that the Cloyne report actually said.

The Thirsty Gargoyle has a very helpful summary if the report and the responses to it: http://thethirstygargoyle.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-many-questions-on-cloyne-report.html

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7 Responses to What did the Cloyne Report Really Say?

  1. Wall Eyed Mr Whippy says:

    An extensive report, which makes depressing reading. I won’t look away, but I have had enough of this. The regular revelations are like being forced to do endless rounds with Mike Tyson.

    It is right for CPS to post it, for only by facing up to such issues can they be healed. The previous policy of the church to sweep it under the carpet was cruel and worse.

    Praise to CP&S


  2. Mr Badger says:

    The Q & A is excellent and informative, as far as I can tell. — But since I have no idea who the Thirsty Gargoyle is, it is hard to know how much stock to put in his (very well written) interpretations.


  3. Thank you. And yes, Mr Badger, you’re quite right — one thing I keep saying to people is that they should read the Report for themselves. I know that could take ages, but try this instead. The Taoiseach’s attack was focused on the Vatican, saying it tried to frustrate the Inquiry, so we need to see whether the Report actually attacks Rome, and whether its attacks are substantiated. I read the whole thing twice before trying this, but if you search for Vatican, Rome, Nuncio, and Congregation, you’ll find precious little evidence for any Roman involvement at all:
    1. We hear of the Commission writing to the Nuncio to be told that the Nuncio has no relevant documents, but that the Diocese has all of them and must obey the law of the land. The Report says everything was handed over.
    2. We hear of the 1997 letter, which we’re TOLD gave support to opponents of the Church guidelines, but this claim seems to be wholly based on the actions of just one person, who ignored the positive features of that letter.
    3. We hear of four cases being sent to the CDF, three only in 2009.
    But yes, you’re right. I’m not just saying ‘I’ve read it, and they’re wrong’; I really hope people take from what I wrote the implied message that ‘If you read it for yourself, you’ll see they’re wrong’. But again, thanks for this. G.


  4. golden chersonnese says:

    Thanks sincerely, Raven, for the link.

    And, gargoyle, beautifully done. The analysis was luminous and the understated humour and wit was wonderful (bit like an old toad hereabouts).


  5. Srdc says:

    Wall Eyed Mr Whippy,

    The question is are Irish Bishops, the police and the courts ready to face this. It seems like they are all just passing the buck to Rome.

    The good thing is the Pope is actually fighting back against the unfair attacks.


  6. Wall Eyed Mr Whippy says:

    Don’t know the details, SR. I only skimmed the article, and found it all the carry on nauseating. It doesnt matter to me if Tweedledum or Tweedledee is to blame.


  7. Wall Eyed Mr Whippy says:

    Today I learn that the Vatican’s ambassador to Ireland has been recalled to formulate a response to the Cloyne report and the crushing comments in Parliament.

    Serious stuff……………


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