It is a widely spread custom in Middle Europe to wear a cross or a medal of the Holy Virgin as a jewel. The ban of it would not only get rid of a reminder that Europa has Christianity as her cultural root, but would also have a great impact on the tradition and custom of the region. Thank God there is still some common sense around. Here is the story:
LOT airlines to ban staff wearing the cross?
From The News.pl, 10.02.2012 14:42
Conservative MPs in Poland have complained to the national airline LOT that banning staff wearing the Roman Catholic cross on flights is “discriminatory” and “unconstitutional”.
From 1 March, LOT flight attendants will not be allowed to display religious symbols at work.
A statement on the airline’s web site says that “staff are not allowed to wear jewellery in a conspicuous place which shows a religious symbol.”
For opposition Law and Justice (PiS) MPs Anna Sobecka and Jolanta Szczypińska, however, the move is against the Polish Constitution.
“Such actions discriminate against Catholics in the area of public life and threaten fundamental rights guaranteed by art. 31 of the Polish Constitution, which says that everyone is obliged to respect the freedoms and rights of others,” the MPs write in a letter addressed to the management board of LOT Polish airlines.
Former minister of transport and Law and Justice MP Jerzy Polaczek, told the right-wing Gazeta Polska daily: “This scandalous decision […] is an interference in the freedom of religion”.
But spokesman for LOT airlines, Leszek Chorzewski, said that the ban includes all religious symbols, and not just the cross.
“The rules apply to all symbols, including, for example, the Star of David,” he said.
He added that the airline carries many thousands of passengers of different faiths each year, and that LOT wants to avoid offence and “unexpected reactions”.
Conservative MPs Anna Sobecka and Jolanta Szczypińska complain, though, that basic religious freedoms are attacked by the move, in the name of “political correctness.”
The MPs point to a similar case in the UK, when British Airways was forced to end a ban on staff wearing religious symbols.
In 2006, British Airways employee Nadia Eweida was sent home from work after she refused to abide by her employer’s then dress code, which required employees to keep religious symbols covered.
Eweida was able to return to work in 2007 when BA changed its uniform policy, after the woman received support from the then UK prime minister Tony Blair, who has since converted to Catholicism. (pg)
Now the Airline reacts with an apology:
LOT Polish Airlines. Declaration in respect of the company’s alleged ban on the wearing of religious symbols by its personnel
To the media, the staff of LOT Polish Airlines and the general public,
With regard to the reports in the media concerning the alleged ban on the wearing of religious symbols by the staff of LOT Polish Airlines, we would like to make it absolutely clear that the company’s intention, as an employer, in introducing the regulation in question into its internal instructions pertaining to the uniform code for our cabin crew has been perversely twisted and that the entire affair has been exaggerated out of all proportion.
We wish to reiterate, categorically, that the intention of the regulation from our internal rules for flight attendants around which the controversy in centred, was an expression of neither the desire nor design on the part of the employer to limit, in any way whatsoever, the freedom of the staff to profess or demonstrate their religious beliefs..
At the same time, we would like to offer our sincere apologies to all those whom this matter has either affected or offended, howsoever this might have been. Respecting, as we do, Polish sensitivities and the attachment of our compatriots to our traditions, we do, indeed, understand their perturbation and indignation.
We would also like to announce that, with the foregoing in mind, the company, in its role as employer, has decided that the regulation around which the controversy is centred will be withdrawn from the instructions, which come into force on 1st March this year.
LOT Polish Airlines S.A.
I find it difficult to understand how anyone can be offended by a symbol that expresses another individual’s religious faith, whether it is a cross, a star of David, a crescent and star, or anything else.
Toad totally agrees with Robert John.
You’d have to be barking mad to get on a LOT Polish airline flight without a Saint Christopher medal.
(Even with one, some might say.)
I hope Poland will NOT bow to Multiculturalism especially to Islam anywhere in the future like they did in other western countries, where our judeo-christian culture and our way of life is being rapidly eradicated. we are being in the process of selling to muslim invaders.it is a big desaster what’s currently going on in the west….and it is ONLY beginning….so be aware…WAKE UP people !!! and to polish people : DO NOT LET THE MUSLIM INVADERS IN !!! otherwise the future generation will NEVER forgive you that !! for the rest of the west it might be too late !!!!!
God save the Polish Culture !!! God Save our CHRISTIAN Europe !!!!!
Which century is Basia living in?
Basia is right however about Polish culture – let’s pull together to save Tiskie beer, Pasta Sledziowa, paluszki and bigos.
BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!
SAVE OUR TASTY FOOD AND BEER FROM MUSLIMS!
Toad utters a timely and wise warning about LOT Airlines.
It is not widely known that LOT stands for “Lots Of Trouble”, just as PIA Airlines stands for “Please Inform Allah”.
Now you know.
Wall Eyed Mr Whippy @….irony out….! I live in Germany…and one cannot describe what is happening here. I experience it everyday, on the street everywhere…I know Poland does not have these problems…just yet….but god forbid you have it one day…
i do NOT think it is right to take the situation easy or to ridicule anybody who smells the rat…
one day you will see for yourself…just wait a while..you will find you’ve laughed too soon… 😦
ps. maybe, who knows, we will need the new Sobieski very soon………..
Yes Basia, in the UK and France there are endless stories about the Muslim threat. They are there to divide and rule, to create tension among peoples. I’m old enough not to be fooled.
I should also tell you that your original complaint about keeping a Christian Europe is nonsense _ you know and I know that there are European countries which have large Muslim populations. This has been so for centuries. And none of them threatened you or me. The last Christian/Muslim problem was when Christians invaded the Middle East and murdered thousands. This is a habit which has been continued today in Iraq. I’d say the Muslims have more reason to be worried. We’ve killed enough of them, dont you think.?
While you are being manipulated, the real threat is preparing – the US/Israel attack on Iran. You are blind to this because you are fixed on the Muslim scare. Once it was communists, before that Catholics and so on.
Thank you for writing in your clear English. I wish I could do the same in your language.
Who is Sobieski?
sorry Wall Eyed Mr Whippy @ but I can now see immediately whats your ideology is…a braiwashed left apologist…there is no hope for you you will wake up..until it’s too late for you…and don’t even try to reply..you won’t convince me, I am so called “right wing” as this brainwashed leftards call us.
there is NO point to dicuss it with you..one day you will see for yourself ! and do defend Iran !!!! my God … ! this Goddless cruel Mullahcracy which sends their cicizens to death EVERY single day !! how blind one has to be to accept ! stoning and hanging and raping is their speciality !!! you’d better educate yourself…simply read the Koran…then we will talk..!!!
but I do not wish to hear defending Iran…!!!! and usual stuff with Israel…ah..oh…soooo predictable..!!! puke…urgh… 😦 😦
Wall Eyed Mr Whippy @ look here :
…and reading Suras and the best source of information about what Muslims are planning for us ……..LOL
Thanks for the websites Basia, but I never read these links. I’m interested in what you have to say. In a way.
I do not wish to convince you of anything, and sadly, a Home for the Bewildered may be waiting for you..
The Iranian State is as you say, horrible. But unfortunately for you, the radiation from an attack on Iran may well make you glow at night – and then there will be tears. So you miss my point entirely – I have no respect for Iran, the US or Israel, for these gangster states will be the death of us.
And you encourage them.
This realpolitik, not your left/right burblings. Go out while you still can and enjoy a kebab, willya? I may have seen you on TV, wearing a bomber jacket , big boots and with a shaven head.
Here for you is an extract from a W.B. Yeats poem, “The Second Coming”.
…things fall apart; the centre cannot hold
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
The blood dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
the ceremony of innocence is drowned.
Surely some revelation is at hand
Surely the Second Coming is at hand
;…..somewhere in the sands of the desert.
Heartening to observe Basia injecting novel and considered disquisition into CP&S.
(Insert smiley face!)
“…the real threat is preparing – the US/Israel attack on Iran. You are blind to this because you are fixed on the Muslim scare. “ Can’t argue with that, Basia.
Within weeks, probably. But, it will most likely be unilaterally Israel, with the Americans saying, “Tut, tut, naughty Israel!”
After that, who knows?
Oh Basia, I have read the Koran, and much of it is lifted from the Bible. And Muslims recognise Christ. But I couldn’t discuss the Koran with you, not until your rabies has been cured.
You avoid teling us who Sobieski is – are you ashamed of this person?
Who is Sobieski?
Toad is precisely, bleakly correct, most unfortunately.
Basia ignores the fact that Iran is surrounded by nuclear powers; India, Pakistan, China, Russia. …………..And of course Israel……………………Quite apart from the US, UK and others. Sadly for Basia and the rest of us, Russia and China are to some degree supporters of Iran, a country which has had its governments toppled by the US/UK. Nice one!
No one wants Iran to have nuclear weapons; a good start would be to disarm Israel. But as Israel’s client state, the US, will oppose this, then there is no hope for our sleepwalk to disaster.
Basia, dig out that old prayer book and use it!!!!!!!!!!
not until your rabies has been cured
… (and then you whine about the posting style of others) …
Jabba, I feel you are a tad enraged about style while I speak of Armageddon.
Posting vaguely about some sort of future nuclear Armageddon does not justify describing a member of CP&S as rabid IMHO.
Quite apart from the ironically religious fundamentalist undertones of your chosen discussion themes…
Jabba, please don’t take refuge in the phrase “a member of CP&S”. etc. You can aim blows much more skilful than that. And you will.
How would you describe the post in question? As if it mattered in face of coming events.
Again, you fulminate on style over substance. Fiddling while Rome burns?
I am sorry that I am vague and imprecise about the exact nature of the time, place and events of Armageddon. I’m doing my best and wish you would desist from this kind of trivia. You are a big hitter -usually.
Let’s skip hand in hand towards the mushroom cloud……..
I have no desire whatsoever to engage in a serious flame war with you.
Not only would it constitute cyber-bullying, but it would (far more importantly) be severely detrimental to the tone of CP&S as a whole.
You can keep your apple 🙂
You say you have no desire to engage in a flame war – but your recent posts negate that assertion. As does your Orwellian reversal of meaning and your blatant untruths about what others have said.
Your comments on the detriment of CPS therefore do not really ring true.
I want you to return to your usual quality posts.
That’s it, I’ve had enough of this.
(you’ve never been on the receiving end of a serious flame war, obviously. And I don’t wish to subject anyone to such a dismal spectacle, and that includes myself)
yeah yeah..it is obvious you wuoldn’t read those links…why ? because it could shatter your views based on your politicall correct antisemitic old and sick ideas, which we all know too well. The old Israel mantra, suicidal white self guilt…etc..etc…so boring…and predictable..old destructive propaganda…bla..bla…bla…
Ofcourse:…Islam is peace,
the Earth is flat,
Israel is the biggest evil and must be eradicated.
..Muslims are innocent victims of white colonialism
…all people are the same, all the cultures are the same
….bla bla bla..etc..and so on….
…waste of time ..really………….
Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran 5:33 – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Sobieski? Look up Jan Sobieski, the last bloke to sort out problems raised by multi-cultys in Europe.
Israel. Difficult one that. A case of “I wouldn’t start from here”.
But we are “here”: we have a democratic state set among neighbours who seek its extirpation; we have a state that is threatened daily with annihilation (and let’s not pretend that the Arab “solution” to the Israeli question would be any different to the German “solution”).
I’m interested in what your answer would be. Do you want to ethnically cleanse the Levant? Get one of the great powers to conquer the middle east and declare a pax humanitariana over the place? Just let Inmedinnerjacket get on with “wiping Israel off the map of the world” (his words not mine)? Something in between?
Basia, this is sparkling and amazing stuff you claim I’ve said or think. It seems to be the season for putting words in my mouth. You are a one-man baying mob!
If you want really violent writings, then look no further than the Old Testament – these Muslims are amateurs in comparision!! Happily, the Catholic Church has never been big on the Old Testament – it’s a much cheerier religion than that. I feel that you are an Old Testament kind of chap.
You say among other things that I am old and sick. How true, how intuitive! But I’m spookily attractive even then -more ‘andsome than a cab ‘cross town.
But do be careful with the insults, for one of the members here is severe (tho’ a little selective) on that kind of thing! Me, I’m OK with all that; in view of what’s coming, who cares?
Basia baby, I can do nothing else but wish you to be yourself. Have fun!
But who is the mysterious Sobieski? My sources say it’s a kind of vodka. Some say it’s ‘The Great Sobieski’ – magician and producer of rabbits out of hats. Teasingly, you won’t say.
In brief Raven….take the nuclear weapons off Israel. Go back to the ’67 borders. Stop the self declared outlaw status. An end to hostage taking of thousands. An end to land and water theft. An end to murder of opponents overseas. An end to daily humiliations of Palestinians. In short an end to gangsterism.
All of which means an end to self generated enmity
The sovereignty of a pre 67 border state is easily guaranteed and enforceable..
Raven, if the boot were on the other foot with Palestinians and Israelis, I’d defend the Israelis. But it is not, and methods are used against the Palestinians which have not been seen since WWII.
The Jews as I have said before have contributed to civilisation out of all proportion to their numbers, and suffered out of all proportion to their numbers.
And the Palestinians are paying a heavy price for the Holocaust.
My selfish concern now is that the trinity of Iran, Israel and the US will be the death of us.
Wall Eyed Mr Whippy@ of course you are sick, although I have not said it, simply stop this mumbo jumbo….what you are saying is “nihil novi”. i can read it all the time in the PC infected traitorous press all over Europe…with this nonsensical fiercely and dillusionally antisemitic CRAP !!! enough is enough really..how long we will hear this drivel ? We will NOT be be silenced ..don’t even try…the history tells us how did it end…
if the nuclear war breaks..it will be because of the Islam trying to take over the West..(in all possible way,it is called Jihad).it is what they say OPENLY (of course YOU know better as any Muslim scholar what is in Koran and what Islam is about ..dont you dear) ..the materials are not too difficult to find..but you wouldn’t make this effort..will you…so much easier to believe in some dross which you saw on TV or read in some shoddy newspaper.
Islam is a wonderful religion of peace, Christianity is violant and crap..Israel and Jews are evil and deserve to die AGAIN…let’s make another Holocaust shall we… ? Muslims would love it…
..and by the way do you know that Jews and Christians are apes and pigs who deserve to die ?..no.. so read the Koran and Hadiths…or simply ask any Muslim scholar from the Middle East.
anyway…the time will tell who is right…..as always….meanwhile dream on…..good night..! 🙂
discussion over !
As Jabba succinctly put it, “cripes.” All this because somebody wanted to wear a Saint Christopher medal between Bydgoszcz and Rzeszow.
Lucky it wasn’t a Star of David, or a Hammer and Sickle, or a Mel Gibson Fan Club badge. Ot they would have had to send the Stukkas in again.
“Israel. Difficult one that. A case of “I wouldn’t start from here”. “
Absolutely right, is Raven. The place to start from – and move Israel bodily to – is Texas. Very big, Vast.
Nobody would even need to know that Israel was there at all, if they didn’t want to.
And many parts (most in fact) of “The Lone Star State” are just as horrible as the Middle East, so the Israelis would feel right at home.
While I think that most of your prescription is sensible, I do have to point out that the hatred against Israel is not entirely self-generated (let’s not forget that the war that saw Israel expand beyond its 1967 borders was a war of aggression started by its neighbours).
And we cannot ignore the fact that much of the suffering of the Palestinian people has been brought upon them by decisions made by their own leaders. The misery in places like Gaza is greatly aggravated by the corruption and gangsterism of Hamas and Fatah; the continued rocket attacks from Gaza give the Israelis exactly the excuse that they need to keep the place locked down.
A just settlement in the levant is going to need decency and leadership on all sides and I don’t see that coming from anyone on the Arab side at the moment.
Yes Raven, the Palestinian leaders are indeed useless in various ways. An unattractive lot. But remember that Hamas was set up with Israeli approval to divide and rule against the PLO – but it backfired on them. Just as the US armed and encouraged the Mujahadeen, who became Taliban, who shelter Al Qaeida ,who destroyed the twin towers,which caused the attack on Iraq, which had nothing to do with it, and then on Afganistan whose people have suffered dreadfully because of all the previous plotting by the US and fanatical mullahs.
Pre 67, Israel attacked Egypt, and in 1948 drove 80,000 Palestinians from their homes. They have now the role of ‘Wandering Jews’.
Decency is unknown on the Israeli side, and is replaced with savagery and cluster and phosphorus bombs. To say nothing of piracy and murder in international waters of crews carrying wheelchairs for the victims of Israeli bombings, and cement to rebuild their shattered homes.
Some Israeli soldiers have a phrase “Break the Silence”, in response to the cover up of their savage behaviour.
Christians who were shamefully silent about the historical maltreatment of Jews have a duty to oppose what is being done in Palestine. It’s of the same order. The Pope has apologised for the Church’s part in this, but I haven’t heard him follow through with similar on the Palestinians. He may have done and it wasnt reported as much is not that the US doesnt like. The US as supporter and arms dealer to Israel is the key factor here – so Toad’s answer may be the just one.
Break the silence.
It is a sorry business all round. And it’s coming to a street near us soon!
Basia, I love to read your posts. They are colourful and sparkling. They make my day!
Basia – who is Sobieski? Or should that be what is Sobieski? Is it a cabbage soup or a strong drink?
I think we should be told………don’t be shy……break the silence….
The awful situation of the displaced Palestinians has been hugely exacerbated by their use by their host states as a political football: hostages against a settlement in the Levant.
They are denied citizenship in their host countries and denied property rights or even the right to escape the camps to enable them to better their own situation.
While responsibility for initiating their misery lies with the founders of the state of Israel, the far greater crime has been with those in the PLO and the Arab governments who have insisted on prolonging and exacerbating the suffering of the displaced.
Yes R, good points.
Of course the Arab governments who failed the Palestinians have been dictatorships supported by the West. No-one believes their crocodile tears about the passing of these dictators. It remains to be seen how the new regimes will respond. Of course, the Egyptian people say their revolution has been hijacked by the military, and the Libyans have a new regime hell bent on revenge on their opponents. We learned recently that the British supplied Gaddafi with the names of dissidents in London. When some went home, they then disappeared.
Tunisia I hear nothing about. Their dictator fled to the US satellite state, Saudi Arabia, carrying his country’s gold. No arrest expected. Saudi was where the butcher Idi Amin fled to luxurious retirement. Nice country, Saudi.
The West has a very heavy burden of catastrophic interference in Arab/Islamic affairs. If they had no oil then they would have poverty and peace, I think. The UK has wreaked havoc as it left its empire, in almost every part of the Arab world. Many conflicts today are because of British meddling and legacy of impossible borders..
In the meantime the US and Israel prepare us for catastrophe in the region, quite apart from the Palestinian situation. These are two countries in the grip of the military/industrial complex that even Eisenhower warned against. A moment ago a TV channel reported that “strike against Iran attitudes have reached fever pitch” in Israel. This is the country which has around a hundred nuclear bombs; gripped by war fever.
“Hail Mary full of grace……..”
Gurdieff said that the human race was literally asleep, which I initially found ridiculous. No more.
This whole business stinks.
Wall Eyed Mr Whippy@
look at this – history (Jan Sobieski famous story )
and this – current reality in Europe explained:
did our ancestors fight in vain ????
Thanks Basia; I have said already that I don’t read links of this nature. I want to read what YOU think.
God help me…..
those links depict my points of view EXACTLY ..in this case…the first link explains who Sobieski was and why he became a famous figure of the history…you have asked about Sobieski few times ..didnt you ? this short documentary explains it well.. I coul;dn’t do it any better..
..but if you refuse it see those materials…i.e.refuse to face the facts…then it is fully OK…it is YOUR choice…but dont ask me anymore…just stay where you are..it doesnt matter as far as I am concerned. It is not my problem. 🙂
The situation of Palestinian refugees is pretty much the same in Syria, Lebanon and Gaza (none of those regimes are exactly friendly to the West).
Their position in Western-friendly Jordan is, I understand, considerably better: your knee is jerking somewhat in your response on this one.
Goodness! All this boring politics!
Arabs, Jews, Sobieski, Iran, Obama, Palestinians, “Generallissimo” Franco, Saint Christopher medals, “Cripes!”
Let’s get back to a topic that we are all cheerful, and happy and comfortable discussing: Yes, Pedophile priests!
toadspittle@ why are you , on all the others here, so bashing Christianity??…I mean I am not a Christian …but I am for traditional european/westrn values.. (which does NOT include pedophilia like in Islam )…but this is very remarkable…bashing all religions..but Islam..are you all hidden Muslims here..or self-hating decadent ex-Christians., or self-hating Jews…or is this website anti – Christian (inspite of its title….??..lol)… 🙂 🙂
Basia, as a member of our blog team I can assure you that all of our team are good and loyal Catholics who try to promote our faith and, while aware of our imperfection, try our best to be a good Christian. Most of our readers are Catholics from around the world, though not all of them choose to comment.
Our comment policy is, when I am allowed to speak for the others in this case, that we allow people to express their opinions and restrict the censorship to a minimum. The society is now pluralistic and we must accept the fact. We can try to persuade people with different ideas but we can’t forbid them to speak.
Basia I must warn you about Toad.
First look at his name. He has showered you with spittle – and the authorities do nothing about it! It is probably ISLAMIC SPITTLE. You could wake up tomorrow with a long beard and a funny hat. Don’t sleep tonight. And remember – toads are green; the colour of ISLAM! It’s a clue.
He may try to get you into an ISLAMIC PAEDOPHILE RING; don’t go there.
You say he is bashing Christianity (though you are not a Christian); it is worse – he is bashing the bishop too!
You may be right about “hidden Muslims” here. Toad may be one and also Raven. Kathleen and Gertrude wear the burqa. Watch out for fatwahs against you. You may find yourself sharing a cheap hotel with SALMAN RUSHDIE!
Be afraid Basia – very afraid
Allah – o- akbar!
Wall Eyed Mr Whippy@ I was recently warned about you and asked to avoid anymore discussion with you …you should be…..guess what…? a Hamas agent…. 🙂 I am taking it very seriously …and will dissapear….right now….ALLAHU AKBAR !!!! hurrrrah !!! 🙂
Who warned you about me? Probably a FUNDAMENTALIST!
I actually work for Shin Beth.
Goodbye and thanks for all the gefiltefish…..
Toad supposes he must reassure Basia of his bona fides..
Toad is deeply suspicious of all religions, but he is not even-handed about it. He suspects Islam much more than the others, although, The Quivering Brethren can give anybody a game. Ask Raven or Teresa.
And he deeply appreciates Basia’s injection of rumbustious, knockabout fun into CP&S.
Toad@ I am not on this website. I was only passing by and found it accidentally..I am busy rambling somewhere else..but thx for your attention..and lots of fun with other “funny” guests…
and important, also non-political issues…bye bye…
Well Basia; your post of 16.58 if true, is interesting. Only a few people on the site have access to private communication with you……………………….