Secularists / Atheists pride themselves in being “non-violent” and “tolerant”. But what happened recently in the U.S. reveals their another, less flattering side. (Of course, any critique of atheists, quite indifferent as to whether of them in general or only a particular group among them, will be conceived by these “nicer-than-thou” and “more-tolerant-than-thou” people as “bigotry”, so it won’t be a surprise if this report is again classified by some as bigoted and unpalatable, but we won’t be silenced. The word “bigot” loses its original meaning, when it is nowadays dished out so freely and thoughtlessly in order to suppress people with diverting ideas, especially those ideas diverting from the secularist mainstream world-view).
A 14-year-old girl in America received death threats and abuse after taking a stand for the traditional definition of marriage.
Sarah appeared before the state of Maryland’s legislature last month where she urged lawmakers not to redefine marriage.
She urged a committee to give her “the best birthday present ever,” by “vot[ing] no on gay marriage.”
But after the youngster’s testimony appeared online she was subjected to vulgar attacks, threats of violence and even death wishes.
One of the comments against her said, “I hate people like this. Most (not all) Americans are [expletive] retards. If I ever see this girl, I will kill her. That’s a promise.”
Other documented responses included: “I’m gonna kill ‘er!”
“Her parents should be exterminated.”
“The [sic] is why abortion must stay legal—to prevent little bigots like this from being Born…”
“Kill this child and his [sic] parent, for my 11 birthday would be a wonderful gift, thanks.”
“Parents like hers should be sterilized…”
Sarah testified before the Maryland Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee at the end of Januray.
She said: “I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender. Even though some kids think it’s fine, they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on.
“I don’t want more kids to get confused about what’s right and okay. I really don’t want to grow up in a world where marriage isn’t such a special thing anymore.”
In Britain a Conservative MP has revealed that he had received a death threat because of his support for the traditional definition of marriage.
David Burrowes MP made the revelation at the launch of Coalition for Marriage, a new grassroots campaign group dedicated to preserving the traditional definition of marriage, last week.
He said: “I myself have been subjected to hate mail, to accusations of homophobia, and to a death threat as well, which is just extraordinary when one is affirming what the law is as it stands and has done historically for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.”
True enough. It would seem more or less obvious that Christians and Muslims do not have a monopoly on insanity.
Toad,for one is not unduly surprised.
No, “secularists and atheists” do not pride themselves on being “non-violent and tolerant”. They are as disparate as are religious people. Some are violent and some are not. When I read the word “tolerant” used like this, I want to reach for my missal. Yes missal, not missile.
If we are to be able to discuss with those with whom we disagree, then the first requisite is to be accurate, and not to swallow wholesale this kind of nonsense.
When will well meaning, good Christians learn to stop disarming themselves by believing these ridiculous stereotypes, this baloney? In any debate with their “‘enemies’ they will be dismissed in the first minute.
Having said that, I suspect that this crazed article has been posted in order to incite the masses. Yes masses, not masses.
When you make any kind of public statement, you run the risk of becoming a target for the less articulate, the loons and wackos and old fruits. Happily, most of the people who enjoy making threats and sending venomous letters are too cowardly to even sign their names, let alone act on their threats. This is true in politics, business, academia, the Web and the workshop, not only in religion.
This is a risk you take when you make public statements. Some people, even 14-year-olds, need to grow thicker skins.
“When will well meaning, good Christians learn to stop disarming themselves by believing these ridiculous stereotypes, this baloney?”
Sorry Mr, Whippy, but I’m truly confused……. where in the article above do “well meaning, good Christians” say that? It is quite clear that the stereotypes of the different believers depicted in the cartoon, is the work of atheists, not Christians.
Toad is right; this ‘sin’ is committed by every group sometimes…… but not by Christians this time.
I was very taken by the article’s last sentence, uttered by David Burrowes MP: “I myself have been subjected to hate mail, to accusations of homophobia, and to a death threat as well, which is just extraordinary when one is affirming what the law is as it stands and has done historically for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.”
Yes, that’s the problem nowadays: current trends and fashions are shaking age old beliefs and traditions. Anyone (like this brave 14 year old) who speaks out to defend them, is placing themselves in the front line of a firing squad of hate and abuse.
Oh, come on Kathleen! Not all that many “hundreds” let alone “thousands” of years ago – the law stood for all kinds of nightmarish things, including roasting, hanging , drawing and quartering Catholics.
Within only 50 years has homosexuality ceased to be a criminal offence. No need to go into all the other stuff about sheep-stealing and so on.
The law can change, it has changed, and rightly so, if necessary. Thinks Toad.
(Far too much mention of hate in too many stories. Toad is equally guilty. Must stop.)
God only knows what “The Law” stood for thousands of years ago, as Burrows says approvingly.
Burning witches? Very poor argument. Thinks Toad.
Who is giving up death threats for Llent.
“Yes, that’s the problem nowadays: current trends and fashions are shaking age old beliefs and traditions.”
Toad can picture Druids shaking their snowy locks and saying just that.
And Kathleen certainly has a point. If all this new-fangled nonsense continues, we will end up giving women the vote. What is this naughty world coming to?
A thought on death threats, which are currently fashionable and modish: They are all talk, as Rebrites suggests. Hitler, Stalin, the Mafia, and the Dear Old Generalissimo* never bothered with them. They just killed people.
* Remarkably photogenic, was he not? There’s a certain mystique about a man in gleaming top-boots, as Kathleen will happily attest. (And now Toad will stop teasing her. For Lent.)
“Not all that many “hundreds” let alone “thousands” of years ago – the law stood for all kinds of nightmarish things, including roasting, hanging , drawing and quartering Catholics.”
This ‘law‘ entitling former Catholics to perform these horrific acts on their compatriots, loyal recusant Catholics, was born in the 16th century under King Henry VIII and his offspring. It was later rescinded when its obvious cruelty and illegality was recognised.
And you can continue to tease me Toad…… I’ll offer it up as one of my Lenten penances ;-).
“This ‘law‘ entitling former Catholics to perform these horrific acts on their compatriots, loyal recusant Catholics, was born in the 16th century under King Henry VIII and his offspring. It was later rescinded when its obvious cruelty and illegality was recognised.”
Yes, we did know that, Kathleen. And we know that women can now vote, and homosexual practices are no longer illegal. And Americans (mostly) can now legally buy and consume booze.
So, what’s your point, Kathleen? Laws, as you plainly agree from the above – can be amended, jettisoned or re-written, as circumstances change.
That’s precisely what Toad suggested to you. You appeared to write complaining about this, and now you are citing it appprovingly (we must assume.).
That’s why the current laws involving marriage can be altered, adjusted, amended, whatever.
Not, as Toad has said before, that he gives a rat’s patootie on that particular issue. And, if three, or six. or whatever number of people want to all get “married” together, that’s their look out. Serves ’em right.
One more time..(sigh)… “Yes, that’s the problem nowadays: current trends and fashions are shaking age old beliefs and traditions.”…and, in very many instances, so they damn well should. Thinks Toad.
Oh Toad, you’re wearing me out! Shall we just agree to disagree?
The age old Tradition (from the time of Adam and Eve) is that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
Anything else: a union of two men, two women, three people, etc., etc.,…. can be called whatever you like, but it cannot be a marriage. Full stop.
Game, set and match to Kathleen, methinks.
Apart from those Mormons and their shenanigans. Perhaps Toad is a Mormon….that’l larn ‘im!
Just imagine six ‘trouble and strifes”!
“The age old Tradition (from the time of Adam and Eve) is that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.”
Did Adam and Eve get married then, Kathleen? Who was Best Man? Who were the bridesmaids? Who catered the reception? Most importantly, where did they go on honeymoon?
Toad thinks we should be told.
Breathtaking sauciness above, Kathleen.
The honeymoon question is easy – they went to the Eden Hotel.
You tell him the rest, girl!!!!
The point is when those who preach tolerance turn against their very teaching, and start issuing death threats, we have real trouble.
I fully agree with your comment on tolerance turning to death threats, if that is typical of those who “preach tolerance”, tho’ I don’t really think it is. It isn’t typical of US pro life anti abortionists, one or two of whom murdered a doctor of a clinic there, despite being pro life.
The link you offer with its military image logo and American values, (whatever they are, fill in the blanks) is unappealing, with talk of islamic armies, chivalry, Vietnam ‘heroes’ instilling the courage to fight, and of course “pseudo peace” movements. But it is a student organisation.
Curiously, your link/website offers the theme for the 2009 Winter Camp theme “Be Like Eagles, not Toads”.
I think we should be told.