There Aint No Such Thing As Chaos

A warning sign designed by someone who believes in “Chaos”.

Let us never forget:

ANY thing that exists or happens

does so only by God’s agency or permission.

As my Irish peasant grandparents would say “Ah, well, that’s the way”.

God is many times a lot cleverer than we give Him credit for.

Amen.

PS: Sorry for my lack of lately input. I have been on holydays.

About Brother Burrito

A sinner who hopes in God's Mercy, and who cannot stop smiling since realizing that Christ IS the Way , the Truth and the Life. Alleluia!
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68 Responses to There Aint No Such Thing As Chaos

  1. jadis says:

    You should see the state of my bathroom at the moment.

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  2. Brother Burrito says:

    Ah Jadis, my favourite domestic goddess, you must see it as a work in progress, your Creator to see in its outcome!

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  3. Toad says:

    ”ANY thing that exists or happens does so only by God’s agency or permission”

    ….Which includes leprosy, malaria, earthquakes, tsunamis, senile dementia and the movies of Mel Gibson.

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  4. Brother Burrito says:

    Yes, and even Toad!

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  5. Brother Burrito says:

    This post was written in honour of that old chaos-monger Toad.

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  6. Toad says:

    Utter chaos might be considered a form of order, really – if states of affair could be relied upon to consistently act in a chaotic fashion, it might be possible to make confident ‘predictions,’ as a result.
    Bit like some newspapers Toad has worked on.

    What you are saying, then, Burrissimo is that some events – although appearing by any standard mankind can currently apply, to be chaotic, destructive, fatal, meaningless and ‘evil’ even – and whose effects, like cancer. are to be mitigated by human ingenuity all all costs – are really simply part of God’s Big Plan?
    You can see what the next inane question is going to be.

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  7. johnhenrycn says:

    Might not a better title have been “There Ain’t No Such Thing As Randomness“, because chaos is an observable, scientific fact?

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  8. johnhenrycn says:

    Toad, you really must move on and desist from these sophomoric bleatings about why bad things happen. If God allowed His Son to be scourged and crucified, surely you’re not going to complain about the rainy days in your life. I find it quite miraculous and wonderful that some of the most productive and creative people in the world are ones confronting serious illness or financial hardship, and indeed, people born with all the advantages life has to give are often very shallow.

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  9. johnhenrycn says:

    …present company excepted, of course.

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  10. Toad says:

    ”If God allowed His Son to be scourged and crucified, surely you’re not going to complain about the rainy days in your life. ”

    Of course not, JH. Don’t know what came over me.

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  11. golden chersonnese says:

    I hear that in places like northern Australia, where Toads are found in plague proportions, the collective noun for Toads is become, in fact, “a chaos of Toads”, and their effect on their hitherto idyllic environment is only all too predictable.

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  12. johnhenrycn says:

    All God’s creatures are precious, no doubt; but despite their similarities, I find frogs quite lovely, even to the touch, whereas I find toads creepy. But both can be poisonous. Why would God ever make a poisonous frog or toad? Cruel to allow a child to die for merely picking up an amphibian.

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  13. johnhenrycn says:

    Apropos supra (^), and for Roger’s benefit – no, I don’t really think God is cruel. I was just poking fun at our 72 year old sophomore.

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  14. Toad says:

    A Chaos of Toads!

    There’s glory for you!

    ‘There’s glory for you!’, [said Humpty Dumpty]
    `I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said.
    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘
    `But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected.
    `When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

    ..But we know, Golden and Toad at least, don’t we – that, ”..a nice knock-down argument,” is exactly what ”glory” means. Neither more nor less!

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  15. johnhenrycn says:

    A knot of toads, according to the ever reliable Wikipedia. What about a coma of anaesthesiologists? An eloquence of lawyers sounds right to me. How about a scoop of journalists, Toad? Or should that be a gutter?

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  16. johnhenrycn says:

    Toad, people are going to ask questions if you keep referencing Charles Lutwidge Dodgson.

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  17. Toad says:

    ”Why would God ever make a poisonous frog or toad? Cruel to allow a child to die for merely picking up an amphibian.”

    If Toad really were venomous, he might say, ”Stop this sophomoric bleating about unwise children picking up things they’re not supposed to – do you expect them to live forever? And anyway, we all need a rainy day or two in our lives, don’t we?”
    But he’s not. so he won’t

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  18. johnhenrycn says:

    …from whence cometh the obloquy dodgy.

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  19. Toad says:

    ”How about a scoop of journalists, Toad? Or should that be a gutter?”

    A ‘pubfull.’
    or alternatively, ‘
    ‘An inanity.”

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  20. johnhenrycn says:

    We’re going to have stop meeting like this.

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  21. Toad says:

    Dodgson was certainly a very odd bird indeed.
    His nickname to his friends was Dodo, because he stuttered.
    He had one thing in common with Toad, in that he once remarked that he ”..liked all children, except boys.” Toad agrees.
    But ‘Dodo’ liked very small girls, and Toad likes quite big ones. (Make that used to like.)

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  22. johnhenrycn says:

    She Who Must Be Obeyed‘s best friend was Dodo MacIntosh, you’ll recall. I only mention that in the forlorn hope of getting this thread back on topic. But as for Carroll, we must remember that the concept of childhood, and what was or was not taboo, was quite different in Victorian times than today. And think back to medieval times, when children were considered just one step above the animal kingdom.

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  23. Toad says:

    Toad will leave the thread hanging, and is off to bed with The Everyman Chesterton, which he is enjoying,
    The Colossal Genius’s thoughts on Dickens, especially.

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  24. johnhenrycn says:

    God bless, but no (or know as Golden would say), I choose to have the last word.

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  25. johnhenrycn says:

    Harrumph:

    To come to the point at once, I beg to say that I have not the least belief in the Noble Savage. I consider him a prodigious nuisance, and an enormous superstition. His calling rum fire-water, and me a pale face, wholly fail to reconcile me to him. I don’t care what he calls me. I call him a savage, and I call a savage a something highly desirable to be civilised off the face of the earth. I think a mere gent (which I take to be the lowest form of civilisation) better than a howling, whistling, clucking, stamping, jumping, tearing savage. It is all one to me, whether he sticks a fish-bone through his visage, or bits of trees through the lobes of his ears, or bird’s feathers in his head.

    Well, that’s Dicken’s for you.

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  26. johnhenrycn says:

    …or Dickens, if you prefer. Anyway, I’m off to watch Jeremy Brett in The Golden Pince-Nez, Mr Brett being, some say, the best Holmes so far.

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  27. Frere Rabit says:

    “You can see what the next inane question is going to be.”

    No you can’t. Who ate my carrots?

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  28. Roger says:

    Its a very interest topic.
    Chaos “..A condition or place of great disorder or confusion ..”
    There are two words Light and Darkness that recur especial in the Gospels “The people that walk in darkness etc..”
    There are two cities Bablyon and Jerusalem and it is clear that one is devoid of God and One inhabited by God.
    What is important about Bablyon is that it doesn’t seem to be choatic. On the contrary it seems logic and rational and modern. But actually what seems ordered and rational isn’t because it is actually the path to disorder and confusion. This Babel is the New World Order that we see being built without God.
    Order always comes down whilst Disorder comes Up.
    How does this disorder come about? Well it follows from Self doesn’t it. What would a world of 6 billion individuals and there competing perceptions of wants and needs equate to ? Answer Chaos

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  29. Toad says:

    The question, dear Rabit – was to have been: ”If, for example, cancer as Burron insists ”…exists only by God’s permission or agency,” is it then perverse, even sinful of us to oppose His Sacred Agency by attempting to eradicate cancer? And if not – why not? Surely He knew what He was doing when He bestowed it on us?
    But you already knew that was the question in question, and I won’t bother asking it anyway, because I’ll be accused of bleating inanities.
    Which is fair comment, of course.
    (And, personally, I doubt if cancer does exist by kind permission of God. Well, I would, wouldn’t I?)

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  30. Toad says:

    ”What would a world of 6 billion individuals and there competing perceptions of wants and needs equate to ? Answer Chaos.”

    But Roger, assuming you are right – it is so because God wants it to exist that way. By His permission or agency.
    As the boyo O’Burro’s bogtrotting Grannie would surely tell us, if given half a chance, ”Ah well, that’s the way.” Sage words, indeed!

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  31. Toad says:

    Accusing Toad of bleating is, as Toad agreed yesterday, ”Fair comment, of course.”
    But then, on reflection, it’s not really – is it?

    Burro kicks off a debate on a very reasonable and arguable topic by declaring that nothing is chaos because God, as Intelligent Designer, is responsible for everything – and then when Toad replies highlighting straightforward ‘complications’ that might logically arise from this notion, he gets his butt kicked for ‘bleating.’

    Not – let him swiftly reassure one and all – that he gives a small rodent’s furry hindquarters what inanity he’s accused of, or what anyone calls him on CP&S.

    But it ain’t fair comment, on reflection.
    And Burro himself did not object to Toad’s objections.

    Could it be that the problem of why ”bad” things happen under the aegis of a supposedly benevolent God, is a bit of a mystery that we don’t care to contemplate too deeply?

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  32. Jerry says:

    Toad: the notion that behind all apparent chaos and pointless misery lies a higher mind that is capable of seeing an eventual destination and fulfilment is of great comfort to many. B.B. Intended to reinforce this comforting notion. For most readers of this blog I’m sure he did so. As the bird in Burnt Norton said: human kind Cannot bear very much reality.

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  33. Toad says:

    You will not be surprised to hear that I agree with every word you say, Jerry.
    But I’m also inclined to think we humans ought at least try bearing the odd bit of reality from time to time.
    Just to keep our critical faculties supple and tender. Not too often, mind you.
    Once a month is probably is as much as most of us can cope with

    (Any clue what’s up with Joyful? Ominously quiet down there.)

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  34. Dan says:

    “ANY thing that exists or happens does so only by God’s agency or permission” How about conjoined twins, Toad? How cruel is that?

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  35. Roger says:

    We live in a Fallen World.
    Genesis book 3 explains everything.
    [16] To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy husband’ s power, and he shall have dominion over thee.
    [17] And to Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, cursed is the earth in thy work; with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life.
    [18] Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herbs of the earth.
    [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return.

    Adam and Eve has Adam and Eve expelled from paradise and this Fallen World that requires Penance. This need for Prayer and Penance is reiterated again and again in the various apparations. Think of Loudres and St Bernadette.
    There is a Law of Fallenness placed in this Created world. Gods Anathemas are the Laws placed in the World which is a Cross to be carried.

    This means that All of worldly modern mans attempts to circumvent these laws sic make work easier and without toil are doomed to failure. What will change this world is Grace the gift of Our Lord the spiritual Life, the selfless life! This can bring Paradise back.

    Bablyon is Mans labour that excludes God and this is what is being repeated Now. Bablyon New World Order is doomed its actually the road to Chaos. Its full of the wise and worldy but their minds and thinking are flawed. If the summation of modern Philosophy is the denial of God then modern Philosophy will be flawed because it is not leading to the the Truth.

    The weather and Mans woes are caused through Sin and Gods Anathema on Sin! God is good and Holy there is No Sin. Man has free will and if he chooses the Road of Sin then this world becomes increasingly Anti and hostile.

    You don’t believe this? Look at the Jews the 2000 year Dispora! Look and see and learn. Exclude God and you end up with a dying world.
    Sin is the cause and Prayer and Penance the Cure.
    Gay Marriage is Social Blasphemy and an Attack on the Holy Family. Its an attack on the Trinity and is pure Satanic.

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  36. Dan says:

    Creating conjoined twins seems pretty satanic to me, Roger.

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  37. golden chersonnese says:

    A chaos of Toads?

    Some more goodies:

    An absence of waiters

    A flat of nuns

    A personality disorder of brothers.

    An attitude of teenagers.

    A greed of lawyers.

    A slant of journalists.

    A pin’s head of angels

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  38. Roger says:

    Dan
    There is another element in this world that is Satan. To being to comprehend Satan and sifting look at the Book of Job.

    Job 2:7
    So Satan went forth from the presence Of the Lord, and struck Job with a very grievous ulcer, from the sole of the foot even to the top of his head:

    Dan would blame God for that ulcer!! But it was from Satan! Satan has rights (this because of Free Will) in this Fallen world. Satan has permissions from God and do not be scandalised because of this!

    Everything hinges around Gods great gift to his Creature Free Will and within this is the Mystery of Iniquity. We must develop Our Spirituality and we do this by denying Self.

    Now those conjoined twins? From whose perspective are you viewing them? Look at them through spiritual eyes and see and love those souls in the image of God. It was mans Sin that brought sickness and suffering into this world and it cost the Life of Our Lord to redeem Fallen Man. Instead of blaming God which is what Satan wants you to do do the prayer and penance requested to spare your neighbour the sorrows of this world! See Our Lord in those twins!

    See how Satan tempts men through in this case David! Always watch the thoughts that come into your mind!!!

    1 Paralipomenon (1 Chronicles) 21:1
    And Satan rose up against Israel: and moved David to number Israel.

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  39. Dan says:

    But why didn’t God cure Job’s ulcer, as he could surely free the conjoined twins of such a terrible condition?

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  40. Roger says:

    Dan
    Your question is answered through the lives of the saints! Look at Jacinta of Fatima. Look at St Francis stigmata or St Pio’s but there are many other examples that in the eyes of the world look horrific but these saints knew they were making reparation to Heaven that actually Love real love can only be demonstrated in this Fallen world by the Cross.
    Your real question goes back to the Fallen of Adam and Eve and their expulsion into this Fallen World and Why?
    It is the difference between Cain and his view of sacrifice and God and Abel one sacrifice was acceptable the others wasn’t. The key is to look at Our Lord and His Life including His horrendous Passion to begin to understand what Love means.
    Love that is the result of parental indulgence isn’t the Love we are talking about!

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  41. Dan says:

    If you or your children had such a horrendous life, you might think differently about what Love means.

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  42. golden chersonnese says:

    Toad will leave the thread hanging, and is off to bed with The Everyman Chesterton, which he is enjoying,

    Toad could perhaps be better pleased snuggling up with The Everyman Gnosticism with its rood and norty (© Frere Rabit) demiurge.

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  43. Toad says:

    ”The weather and Man’s woes are caused through Sin and God’s Anathema on Sin…”

    Well, Roger – if that is true (and does Burro agree with it, might we ask?) it puts a whole different complexion on blizzards and tsunamis.
    And shouldn’t ordained priests do the TV weather forecasts? Get it right, for a change?
    And, yet again, warns Toad that over-indulgence in CP&S may well be bad for his mental health.

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  44. Toad says:

    Chesterton’s insights into Dickens and his works are remarkably profound, Golden.
    Or so thinks Toad, who loves him (Dickens, that is) every bit as much as Fat Boy Gil ever did.

    (Indeed Chas and Toad share a birthday, which is nothing to do with anything, really. But still is pleasing.)

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  45. golden chersonnese says:

    Well, Toad, if dissatisfaction with this lower material world with its physical and biological evil is a main concern, Valentinus might be just your man.

    But it may entail your becoming much more spritchell, dear Toad.

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  46. johnhenrycn says:

    “If you or your children had such a horrendous life, you might think differently about what Love means.”

    Don’t you think it’s a bit offensive, Dan, to presume what trials and tribulations others here have to bear, or not? I do.

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  47. Toad says:

    You get me a bit wrong here, I think, Golden.
    I don’t consider the physical and biological aspects of Planet Earth to be ‘evil.’
    It’s just how life is.
    Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever is no more ‘evil’ than a snowstorm.

    Either it’s that way by accident, or design.
    I don’t know, myself.

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  48. golden chersonnese says:

    And do you frequently visit Catholic blogs commenting on snowstorms, Toad?

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  49. Roger says:

    The weather, Sin and Faith are linked! The Old Testament and Famine.
    Prayer and Penance were requested at Fatima!

    Quite simply the lack of Faith today and the blindness of refusing to see the link between Sin and the state of the world is evidence of the General Apostacy that has come upon Christendom.

    La salette is emphatic about Sin and the harvest!
    “..“Six days I have given you to labor, the seventh I had kept for myself; and they will not give it to me.” It is this which makes the arm of my Son so heavy. Those who drive the carts cannot swear without introducing the name of my Son. These are the two things which makes the arm of my Son so heavy.
    If the harvest is spoilt, it is all on your account. I gave you warning last year with the potatoes (pommes de terre) but you did not heed it. On the contrary, when you found the potatoes spoilt, you swore, you took the name of my Son in vain. They will continue to decay, so that by Christmas there will be none left…”

    Romans 8:
    [35] Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword?

    Mark Chapter 4
    [37] And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that the ship was filled.
    [38] And he was in the hinder part of the ship, sleeping upon a pillow; and they awake him, and say to him: Master, doth it not concern thee that we perish?
    [39] And rising up, he rebuked the wind, and said to the sea: Peace, be still. And the wind ceased: and there was made a great calm.
    [40] And he said to them: Why are you fearful? have you not faith yet? And they feared exceedingly: and they said one to another: Who is this (thinkest thou) that both wind and sea obey him?

    Luke 8
    [23] And when they were sailing, he slept; and there came down a storm of wind upon the lake, and they were filled, and were in danger.
    [24] And they came and awaked him, saying: Master, we perish. But he arising, rebuked the wind and the rage of the water; and it ceased, and there was a calm.
    [25] And he said to them: Where is your faith? Who being afraid, wondered, saying one to another: Who is this, (think you), that he commandeth both the winds and the sea, and they obey him?

    Apocalypse 6
    [8] And behold a pale horse, and he that sat upon him, his name was Death, and hell followed him. And power was given to him over the four parts of the earth, to kill with sword, with famine, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Apocalypse 18
    [8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine, and she shall be burnt with the fire; because God is strong, who shall judge her.

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  50. Roger says:

    Its very sad but today we are seeing the same denials today as in the time of Our Lord.
    Sin is responsible for the State of the world and its weather.

    Luke 4
    [24] And he said: Amen I say to you, that no prophet is accepted in his own country.
    [25] In truth I say to you, there were many widows in the days of Elias in Israel, when heaven was shut up three years and six months, when there was a great famine throughout all the earth.
    [26] And to none of them was Elias sent, but to Sarepta of Sidon, to a widow woman.
    [27] And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet: and none of them was cleansed but Naaman the Syrian.
    [28] And all they in the synagogue, hearing these things, were filled with anger.
    [29] And they rose up and thrust him out of the city; and they brought him to the brow of the hill, whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.

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  51. Toad says:

    Does anyone else ‘out there,’ on CP&S believe that sandstorms are caused by sin?

    ”And do you frequently visit Catholic blogs commenting on snowstorms, Toad?”</B.

    Naturally, Golden. Don’t we all?
    Except, of course, when I can’t dig myself out of the house for the drifts.

    And if I didn’t know you better I’d also ask why you should ask such a silly question.

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  52. Toad says:

    Somehow I imagine Roger saying. ”Yikes! It’s raining!! That’s because I forgot to say fourteen Hail Marys before breakfast!!!”

    But I probably imagine wrongly.

    CP&S is in exceptionally splendid and wacky form these days, isn’t it?
    Something to do with the weather, no doubt.

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  53. johnhenrycn says:

    Talk about wacky…Toad, are you a dog owner or a dog guardian? Tell me, and I’ll get back to you.
    All in the interest of promoting the Faith, mind, in case this seems off topic.

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  54. johnhenrycn says:

    …and why has your fellow bleater, Danny Boy, not apologized for wrapping the mantle of suffering atound his shoulders whilst presuming no one else here ever has?

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  55. Toad says:

    Pilgrims occasionally ask me, as I’m out with the Gang of Five, ”Do all those dogs belong to you?” and I say, ”No, I belong to all of these dogs.”
    There. Cute.

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  56. Toad says:

    Danny Boy had better sing for himself, I think.

    Or at least bleat.

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  57. Toad says:

    ”Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.”

    Said Mark Twain. Of whom Toad is a big fan. And, it’s regrettable but yes, if there were more dogs and fewer children, the world would be a happier place. Or so I think. But who knows? JH, no doubt.
    In fact more lions,tigers, monkeys, cats, parrots and ferrets – and fewer humans would be a big improvement.

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  58. Roger says:

    Toad you misunderstand. This world has seasonal cycles that cover sowing, growing harvest etc..
    Famine is a constant punishment and theme in the Old Testament and you see how Our Lord controlled the weather at sea. Remember Jonah was thrown overboard because of bad weather.
    Elias and the End of the Famine
    3 Kings 18
    [1] After many days the word of the Lord came to Elias, in the third year, saying: Go and shew thyself to Achab, that I may give rain upon the face of the earth.

    Now at La Salette 1846 express mention was made of the potato harvest and working on Sunday.
    It is about a climate that sustains Mankind in feed and well being. Rain when needed , Sun when needed.
    Gauge these truths against modernism and materialism and a world that works on Sundays and has relegated God to the the level of Mythology!
    Rome disobeyed Fatima in 1960 over the consecration of Russia and we are living today with the consequences of that Disobedience. Consider that when the Pope was at Avignon God used Catherine Of Siena to tell the Pope to return to Rome and that Pope Obeyed.
    The Apocalypse has War and famine (caused through weather).
    Our Lord told them the same did he not?
    The separation of Church and State is utter madness. This is to place Satan over Our Lord to reverse the Passion! All we know is that in the End the Immaculate Heart will Triumph but how far down the road to Hell (which is Chaos) will the world Go?

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  59. Roger says:

    Toad with Adam and Eves Fall so did the animals! Understand that all creation suffers as the consequence of Sin just as all creation gained from the passion. We know this because of the Anathema placed on Adam , obviously it impacted on the animals, climate and plants etc..

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  60. Toad says:

    So a tiger suffers from the Sins of mankind, does it Roger?
    If we shoot it, I suppose it does.
    How about dinosaurs?
    …And Adam’s Anathema adversely affects aspidistras, ants and also atmosphere? Amazing.

    ”Famine is a constant punishment and theme in the Old Testament..”

    I’ll take your word for it Roger. Which, if so, is one of the many reasons why the Old testament is such a thoroughly nasty book. And you would do well to get your head out of it. In my opinion.

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  61. golden chersonnese says:

    And now the ever resourceful Toad sounds more like a Marcionite than a Valentinian..

    Stick around and Toad will endorse 15 more Christian gnosticisms before breakfast.

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  62. Toad says:

    All these big words, Golden.
    He’s only an amphibian, you know.
    And he would know a gnosticism if it jumped up and bit him on his marcionite.

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  63. Dan says:

    “Don’t you think it’s a bit offensive, Dan, to presume what trials and tribulations others here have to bear, or not? I do”
    I think it far more ‘offensive’ to claim that a loving God is watching over such extreme, prolonged and terrible suffering of innocent children, while having the power to make it stop at any time – and then to try to excuse this for the sake of your own self interests. Deplorable!

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  64. Toad says:

    That kind of snippy comment will get you nowhere, Dan.
    Try a smile and a kind word instead.

    Like Toad.
    (Or Rabit.)

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  65. Dan says:

    Snippy? Don’t you think it important to challenge what you believe to be wrong?
    I am actually quite a jolly fellow, Toad, but I consider this to be quite a serious issue.

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  66. Brother Burrito says:

    OK, I’ve seen enough argy-bargy from you reprobates. If you want to carry on like that, you can do it on the Daily Thompson website instead.

    (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/damianthompson/)

    Comments are closed.

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