Peter Kreeft: The simultaneous rise of militant Islam and homosexuality

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  1. marchioness says:

    We have been browbeaten and lied to by these militant activists for long enough; it’s time to shed the resulting cognitive dissonance and speak the truth.


  2. Toad says:

    Kreech is preaching hate – the hate of all sins, as he calls it.
    OK, let’s think about this:.

    “God hates” he says. But how can The Perfect Being possibly “hate” anything?
    “Hate” indicates a lack of some quality – that the person (or deity) who hates is unsatisfied with circumstances, – dislikes them – wants them altered. Hate is an entirely human quality.
    How can we justify this with the idea of perfection, much quoted in the context of The Almighty, which allows no blemish whatever to be attributed to God?



  3. Toad says:

    Nice to be able to rate himself, thinks Toad.


  4. kathleen says:

    I notice that Fr. Z has an article on his blog today about the vicious public murder of a priest in Syria by Islamists, whilst a large crowd of onlookers hooted and cheered in bloodthirsty delight. “Religion of Peace, eh?” says Fr. Z

    By all accounts, Christians today are the most persecuted group in the world. Some sources put the percentage as high as 72% ! This is almost three out of every four people, persecuted for their beliefs, are Christian.

    The persecutors are from varying ideologies: Islamic fundamentalists are highest on the list, but also Atheists/Communists, Hindu extremists and others.

    According to Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, Permenant Observer of the Holy See, who addressed the United Nations Human Rights Council in the last week of May, around 100,000 Christians die violently every year for their Faith, while others endure rape, torture, displacement, kidnapping, and destruction of their places of worship.
    The archbishop called on the Council to offer greater protection for Christians in danger of persecution. But will they listen?


  5. Frere Rabit says:

    This is a very poor article and quite unworthy of Catholicism Pure and Simple. I have no idea who Peter Kreeft is – as no context is provided – and his views are no more interesting than the man in the pub sounding off. Very clever to equate Islam and queers as the big power players, just to enrage Catholics. I am not enraged, oh no. I question the paucity of your intellectual debate.


  6. Toad says:

    A great many religions seem, at times, to be vicious than virtuous.
    The Church of England, as we are frequently reminded on here, has done its share of hanging, drawing, quartering, and burning people over what Montaigne calls “…differences of opinion.” in its time.
    And there are vert likely examples of that sort of thing among other religions, if we looked at history more closely.

    Rabit is right, re Kreef. Who cares what he says?
    We might just as well equate the rise of Islamist aggression with the rise of mobile phone usage, or “Climate Change,” or the movies of Pedro Almodovar, as with homosexuality.


  7. Toad says:

    Anyone reading the above might be moved to ask, “Who cares what Toad says, anyway?” And they would be right.
    Apologies to Mr Kreef.


  8. golden chersonnese says:

    Dr Kreeft’s long career as professor of philosophy at Boston College (Catholic “ivy league”) is probably more impressive than Toad’s, at least slightly, anyway.

    Here Toad, this sound like you:

    Kant, more than any other thinker, gave impetus to the typically modern turn from the objective to the subjective. This may sound fine until we realize that it meant for him the redefinition of truth itself as subjective. And the consequences of this idea have been catastrophic.


  9. Roger says:

    Well a big thank you for this and for Peter Kreef.
    Look the West is Post Christianity! That is a Fact and it has a creed and outlook of its own that it imposes on its citizens. This Western Creed is very similar to that of pagan Ancient Rome pluralism. In point of fact a New Empire has been formed out of Secular Rome (The Treaty Of Rome! ) called after Europa!
    The West is militant and secular and is imbued with the spirit of Anti Christ.
    Islam, He is Right. Belloc points out that Islam looks like a Heresy a cut down simply version of the Catholic Faith (without the sacraments) its Deadly because it is offering Faith and worship when this is scorned in the West.
    The spirit of Anti Christ has seduced Old Christianity this spirit that arose in Russia! (Fatima).
    God Hates?
    Foolish foolish empty headed Toad. Toad of conceit!
    SIN is HATE and it has no place in Heaven. Self has no place in Heaven and Self is the visible evidence of Original Sin. Adam and Eve discovered Self , they became Self Conscious! With Self comes Hate! Homosexuality is replete with Self haven’t you noticed?
    The Curse is Masonry that is visible darkness and this opened the pit to the spirits of rebellion.
    The poor sinner is one thing BUT the acceptance and adoption of Sin? Never.
    If St Peter and St Paul had been Yes men there wouldn’t have been the Church.
    Well sadly worldly praise and patronage even the worst kind of personal human cult worship has become a distinctive feature of Rome since 60’s (and wonder of wonder that list of Masonic members in the Curia that was published.
    He is giving an opinion and of course it isn’t what anybody wants to here is it?
    He isn’t giving Solutions but these Solutions are that today like St More and St Fisher and my great hero St John Houghton (proto martyr) we must stand up for Christ!
    Who cares about being popular in the realm of Anti Christ?


  10. Toad says:

    I would suggest that Kant’s contribution to human knowledge has been “catastrophically beneficial” myself, Golden, because it woke (nearly) everybody up – but, as you no doubt agree, it’s all relative.
    Yes, Prof Kreef’s cred is far more impressive than Toad’s which is zip.

    “Who cares about being popular in the realm of Anti Christ?”
    You can put Toad down as a “Not me,” Roger!


  11. Toad says:

    “Foolish foolish empty headed Toad. Toad of conceit!”

    Now then, Roger! Manners! Manners! We don’t go around calling one another names on CP&S, do we now?
    (Well, hardly ever.)

    Roger is right, though.
    As always.
    (Except about pyramids,)


  12. Roger says:

    Very good golden!
    Peter Kreeft is correct in his opinion of the West and its loss of the Faith.


  13. golden chersonnese says:

    Dear Toad, I am sure Professor Kreeft would very much enjoy discussing this with you. He’s not a Kant-hater, however, by any means, as I think you would see. Rather understands and admires him in a “nuanced” kind of way. (Really wanted to use that word today.)

    You can have it out with him over at his blog/forum here: ,

    but don’t forget to tell us if you do.

    I’m opening a bottle of almost acceptable Argentine red to participate from afar in CP&S’s birthday bash. How about you? Is the sun over the yardarm there yet? Is the bar open in the Peaceable Kingdom?


  14. Toad says:

    You put Toad to shame, Golden, and rightly so.
    A very buen cumpleanos indeed to the forgiving and kindly CP&S.

    He will duly toast The World’s Best Blog with a bottle of Primo ’08, from Toro. (Still underated and way underpriced,)

    Mind you, he does that every day already. For lunch.
    And will report back, re the link, when the rather extraordinary elderly lady pilgrim from Brazil who showed up for lunch, has walked on by.

    Independence Day, too!
    Separation of Church and State!
    What a magnificent idea!
    And it works!!!


  15. golden chersonnese says:

    Here’s a little CP&S birthday treat for Toad. David Bentley Hart on the problem of evil:


  16. Toad says:

    Excellent movie, Golden,;.
    Kathleen will hate it. I suppose. But who knows? Maybe she will love it.
    It is undoubtedly a lot of blether and flannel though – is it not?
    On the one hand this, on the other hand that, blah, blah. etc. etc.

    Nobody will deny that.

    But he does have a magnificent Old Testament beard. Freakin’ lurid! As they say.

    And poor old Toad does not. But then, he’s a Toad.


  17. Toad says:

    Damn the bold,


  18. The Raven says:

    I thought fate favoured the bold, Toad?


  19. golden chersonnese says:

    Yes, I gave you one star, dear Toad, which I feel is more than you deserve. Is it any wonder, Toad, that you are marched off to stand in the corner with such lamentable regularity?


  20. Toad says:

    A single star.
    But a Golden one!!!

    The fault, dear Burro, lies not in ourselves – but in our stars..
    That can’t be right, surely? Nah.

    Toad is happy in the corner, His pointy head fits in perfectly.


  21. golden chersonnese says:

    Toad below or wherever, your comment was not fair at all to Mr Bentley Hart. Here was a man of substantial learning who agreed with you that suffering and evil in the world presents a real problem for belief in a good God, at least on the philosophical level, and all you could do was turn your toad-bottom towards him.

    Toads don’t get special treatment, you know.


  22. golden chersonnese says:

    I didn’t think that was on July 4 as well, Toad. This day in history is becoming rather noteworthy for its many and divers celebrations.

    Yes, anyway, quite good that a government finally agreed to keep its arthritic fingers off the Church. It looks as though it’s not staying that way, but.


  23. johnhenrycn says:

    If you have no idea who Kreeft is, might it not be fairer to conduct a brief investigation before writng him off as no more interesting than “the man in the pub”? Although this short interview may not show him at his best (I haven’t watched it), he does have orthodox credentials and a respectable CV; not as impressive to my mind as those of David Bently Hart (cited by Golden below), who is likewise dismissed by the other eminent pundit on this blog , but certainly a serious thinker in comparison to your pencil twirling “Michael Voris of the Vortex”. Talk about “paucity” of debate. MV has B-list written all over him.


  24. kathleen says:

    An excellent article by Dr. Peter Kreeft that you link to Golden, very informative and interesting. I now understand Kant’s mistaken philosophy much better than before!

    Definitely our brainwashed Toad is one of Kant’s prize victims! 😉

    Hopefully those who were so ready to criticise Dr. Kreeft will see what a erudite and scholarly man he really is. We have, in the past, posted other articles by him on CP&S.


  25. kathleen says:

    Toad states: “Kathleen will hate it. I suppose.”

    No, I didn’t hate it at all, and completely concur with D.B. Hart that suffering is indeed a mystery and a problem for many people, especially the suffering of innocent children.

    However, to tell the truth, I thought his analysis was a bit waffly and unsatisfactory for such a clearly learned and pious man. He made no mention of the Communion of Saints (where the sacrifices of some victim souls can bring special graces to others in need); no mention either of the Cross, or how suffering can be redemptive and penitential.

    If the world were a “Garden of Eden” rather than a “Vale of Tears”, we would not have this deep longing for God and Heaven deep within our souls. Suffering is man’s lot whilst he remains a pilgrim on Earth on his journey home to Heaven.


  26. Frere Rabit says:

    Maybe you put your finger on it here, and if Kreeft did some pencil twirling and finished with “God love you!” I would be easily impressed, idiot rabit that I am.


  27. Frere Rabit says:

    PS Your horror of Michael Voris will compete with your horror of British python lunacy in the following


  28. johnhenrycn says:

    Yes, that rated a “good” on the CP&S 5 Point Scale. My screen froze at the 1:30 mark, but I got the gist. It’s nice that you’re enough of a sartorialist to know that a gentleman’s tie ends below the belt line. What is the name of that impressive prominence behind you?


  29. Frere Rabit says:

    JH, the impressive promenade behind me is known as Puig Campana. From the point where the slope goes seriously vertical it is all Jurassic. The lower slopes are Cretaceous. This is the point where the African plate is crashing into the Iberian peninsula, forming these mountains at the same time as the Alps. The tie should never be worn lower than the knee, unless you are a rock climber.


  30. Toad says:

    Actually, Kathleen, “waffly” was the exact word I wanted to use, but I couldn’t spell it, so I wrote it as I did. (Maybe neither of us can, because it’s still underlined, but never mind.)

    The point is we ought not to, I believe, just scratch our heads and say, “Well, that particular thing is mysterious, but God must know what he’s doing,.”
    We have to ask why, and deal with the fall-out. Or so I think.
    And the fact that we can discuss stuff like this on CP&S calmly and rationally, mostly anyway, is what makes it such a good blog.
    (Is it a “blog”?).


  31. Toad says:

    You are right, I think, to attribute the desire for an afterlife to the unsatisfactory conditions we endure throughout our lives on Planet Earth..


  32. Roger says:

    The subjective, yes What a profound insight from Kreeft! Because the subjective as Pilates Judgement and so today the Attack on the Faith and its Holy Martydom is through Subjective Judgements!

    The killing of the Church and the worlds Judgement on the mystical Body of Chirst!!!

    It leads us straight to Holy Week and Caiphas, Herod and Pilate. The folly is told by Eternal truth.
    John 18
    [13] And they led him away to Annas first, for he was father in law to Caiphas, who was the high priest of that year.
    [14] Now Caiphas was he who had given the counsel to the Jews: That it was expedient that one man should die for the people.
    [19] The high priest therefore asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
    [20] Jesus answered him: I have spoken openly to the world: I have always taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither all the Jews resort; and in secret I have spoken nothing.
    [21] Why asketh thou me? ask them who have heard what I have spoken unto them: behold they know what things I have said.
    [22] And when he had said these things, one of the servants standing by, gave Jesus a blow, saying: Answerest thou the high priest so?
    [23] Jesus answered him: If I have spoken evil, give testimony of the evil; but if well, why strikest thou me?
    [24] And Annas sent him bound to Caiphas the high priest.

    [28] Then they led Jesus from Caiphas to the governor’ s hall. And it was morning; and they went not into the hall, that they might not be defiled, but that they might eat the pasch. [29] Pilate therefore went out to them, and said: What accusation bring you against this man? [30] They answered, and said to him: If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up to thee.

    [31] Pilate therefore said to them: Take him you, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said to him: It is not lawful for us to put any man to death; [32] That the word of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he said, signifying what death he should die. [33] Pilate therefore went into the hall again, and called Jesus, and said to him: Art thou the king of the Jews? [34] Jesus answered: Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or have others told it thee of me? [35] Pilate answered: Am I a Jew? Thy own nation, and the chief priests, have delivered thee up to me: what hast thou done?
    [36] Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.
    [37] Pilate therefore said to him: Art thou a king then? Jesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice.
    [38] Pilate saith to him: What is truth? And when he said this, he went out again to the Jews, and saith to them: I find no cause in him.
    Pilate’s question subjective question!!! The same Subjective question is today judging the Church the Mystical Body of Christ

    [39] But you have a custom that I should release one unto you at the pasch: will you, therefore, that I release unto you the king of the Jews?
    [40] Then cried they all again, saying: Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

    Look Barabbas the robber is prefered to Christ (the Church). Who are todays Robbers?

    Notice that Our Lord points to Eternity NOT here! This is a place of Penance not Paradise. Prayer and Penance!!!!!!


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