The Third Apparition – July 13, 1917
Mr. Marto, father of Jacinta and Francisco, says that when the third apparition began, a little grayish cloud hovered over the holm oak, the sunlight diminished, and a cool breeze blew over the mountain range, even though it was the height of summer. He also heard something that sounded like flies inside an empty jug. The seers saw the customary glare, and immediately afterward they saw Our Lady over the holm oak.
Lúcia: What does Your Grace wish of me?
Our Lady: I want you to come here on the thirteenth of next month and to continue to pray the Rosary every day in honor of Our Lady of the Rosary, in order to obtain peace for the world and the end of the war, for she alone can be of any avail.
Lúcia: I would like to ask you to tell us who you are and to perform a miracle so everyone will believe that Your Grace appears to us.
Our Lady: Continue to come here every month. In October, I will tell you who I am and what I wish, and I will perform a miracle that everyone shall see so as to believe.
Lúcia then made a number of requests for conversions, cures, and other graces. Our Lady recommended the constant recitation of the Rosary; thus they would obtain those graces during the year.
Then she went on: “Sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice, ‘O Jesus, this is for love of Thee, for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.’”
The Vision of Hell.
“As she said these last words,” writes Sister Lúcia, “she once again opened her hands as she had done in the two previous months. The radiant light (which streamed from them)
The three seers shortly after the vision of hell, July 13, 1917.
seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw, as it were, a great sea of fire; submerged in that fire were demons and souls in human shapes who resembled red-hot, black and bronze-colored embers that floated about in the blaze, borne by the flames that issued from them with clouds of smoke, falling everywhere like the showering sparks of great blazes – with neither weight nor equilibrium – amidst shrieks and groans of sorrow and despair that horrified us and made us shudder with fear.
“The devils stood out like frightful and unknown animals with horrible and disgusting shapes, but transparent like black coals that have become red-hot.”
The vision lasted only a moment during which Lúcia let out a gasp. She remarks that if it were not for Our Lady’s promise to take them to heaven, the seers would have died of fright and terror.
Frightened and as though pleading for help, the seers raised their eyes to Our Lady, who said with kindness and sadness:
“‘You saw hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.’”
Catholicism Pure & Simple 
Can never mediate enough over Fatima. Souls suffer!!! The existence of a soul is the death knell of evolution which doesn’t beileve in the soul. Its the death knell of materialism and its the death knell of free masonry. Suffering beyond and outside of the Body!!
That Masonic Curia in the 60’s said Fatima is genuine BUT you can ignore what was said! We don’t have to Obey Our Lady! That Arrogance persists to this Day. If the Church refuses to Obey the Mother of God then it is denying Christ. The Woman and the Child because without the Woman we wouldn’t have that Child!
Today 53 years on there has still be NO reparation in Rome for this Disobedience of Heaven. It is as if Rome is divorcing itself from Our Lady!!
The Post Conciliar Church is that of PR and popularity well Woe unto you when All men praise you!
We are living in a Global Depression with raging Wars in the Middle East and an escalation in tensions between USA, China and Russia and now the message from Rome is drop Tradition!
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Reblogged this on Catholic4Life.
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Was the vision of Hell supposed to be a view of Hell as it actually appears, or some sort of metaphorical caricature type thing?
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It strikes Toad that the somewhat lurid vision of Hell, recounted by the simple peasant child here, sounds eerily similar to the sort of primitive, though entertaining, paintings that might be found on the walls of small, backward, backwater, churches in somewhere like, say – Fatima, in Portugal – a hundred years ago.
Odd coincidence, if that is the case.
But of course I don’t know,
(It also sounds oddly similar to what the good nuns in Harrow, North London, told Toad when he was seven. More coincidence, no doubt.)
Only eight ‘screamers’ (exclamation points) in 15 lines, Roger!!!! Pull your socks up!!!! Toad has got 8 in one and a half!!! Make that 11. No…make that – oh stop, Toad.
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Adrian consider what this view of Hell tells Us. It confirms Man’s most Ancient Beliefs in the hereafter. Did the children see with the physical eyes or spiritual? What would be the point of a metaphorical vision? Our Lady showed them Hell, demons and the souls suffering (notice suffering that is beyond the flesh!!) Man is comprised of flesh, spirit and soul. Suffering extends through to the Soul!! So much for the complacency of saying of the deceased that their suffering is Over!!
The Church is militant (flesh on Earth), suffering (in Pugatory and these are the most neglected because of the callous sickness of a generation that refuses to honour its dead!) in Bliss (Heaven).
Pugatory has been described as Hell but not for Eternity!!
Nobody goes to Hell except by their own Free Will choice. This is the Faith of all time and we must correspond to God’s Laws and interpretation NOT MAN’S.
Hell is Real that is the message of July 1917!
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“It confirms Man’s most Ancient Beliefs in the hereafter” Well that’s precisely what bothers me about the account of this vision: Hell being under the ground, volcano-like, with crying people.
Why would souls be bothered by fire? Why would they have human bodies?
“Nobody goes to Hell except by their own Free Will choice” Not so. People cannot pick and choose what they believe to be true. You either believe something to be true or you don’t. A Muslim cannot choose to believe that the Koran is not the word of God, or an atheist choose to believe that it is.
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“People cannot pick and choose what they believe to be true.”
Why not, Adrian? What’s wrong with examining something as carefully as possible – the belief in Hellfire, for example – and then coming to the conclusion that it’s just plain silly, and you don’t believe it?
Or, contrariwise, that it is true, and you do believe it?
Anyway, that’s what Toad does. All the time.
Boring. But there we are.
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Roger, “Pugatory” is a theological place I am unfamiliar with.
Is it a place where souls must spend several centuries wearing boxing gloves, sparring with demons before being admitted to Heaven? Just guessing.
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Purgatory is not a place, it is a state, the state that a human soul experiences between the time they die, leaving their mortal body, and the time they enter the beatific vision, if they have chosen God over self. As a fallible human soul one who dies is generally not prepared to enter the presence of God, too much residual imperfection remains. Like gold which must be refined by fire the human soul must be refined before it is prepared to enter God’s presence. That state of transition is purgatory. We are saved by Christ and if we accept God’s gift of salvation we are heaven bound, but that does not mean we are heaven prepared. That transition is likely to be difficult. The farther we are from God’s perfection the more difficult it will be. Prayer can make it less difficult, because God’s grace increases if we or others ask for it in our behalf. So we pray for the departed that God’s grace may make their purification easier. We also ask those who have departed themselves, still in the process of purification and having completed it, and so already being in the beatific vision to join in our prayers for specific departed souls, as described in scripture.
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Nope. Pugatory is a typo. Oh well…
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Fire is a feature of God, think of Moses and the burning bush! think of Pentecost! Water associates with Baptism But Fire is associated with Purgation. Think of Akida! God doesn’t judge as man does! We are judged on what we know and the more we know the greater is expected! However the Mass is the Perpetual Sacrifice which continually offers Our Lord to the Father. The world cannot exist without the Mass. The world can exist and has at times existed without a Pope! But never the Mass. now understand that Father Malachy Martin said in the 90’s that the priest had to make the Novus Order valid and that in many cases it wasn’t! Now that should be sounding alarm bells!
God isn’t impressed with the PR nor the numbers and certainly not with popularity! The only acceptable perfect sacrifice is Our Lord! It is the Mass that opens Heaven and saves man. Our Lady showed these children Hell! Man and his opinions and all of his human laws cannot open Heaven! Fatima stands before Us reminding Us of what is important and because In the End Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart will Triumphant!
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TerryC tells us Purgatory is not an actual place, but then Lucia tells us that Hell certainly is an actual place, and that she has actually seen it, courtesy of The Immaculate Conception who presumably has to look at it constantly.
Which must be rather depressing..
Full of nasty horrid demons, Hell is too – tormenting shrieking, moaning sinners – who are eternally on fire, probably poking them endlessly and cruelly with pitchforks – much as Roger cruelly pokes us with exclamation marks.
But who are we to believe? Who is right?
Terry or Lucia?
Neither? Both?
Difficult questions.
(I must apologise for the note of levity which seems to have insinuated itself. And am I alone in thinking that the Virgin in the picture looks strangely like a 1920’s ‘flapper’?)
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Thank you for posting that. It helps to read things of a more serious nature to keep our minds and hearts in the right place when there is so much frivolity on the internet. God bless you.
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“there is so much frivolity on the internet”
Quite right. And may I add that it is good to see such a fine example of high quality Marian art, no matter how many exclamation marks it provokes among the gushing admirers.
“Roger cruelly pokes us with exclamation marks,” says Toad. Quite right. How many exclamation marks does Roger think Our Lady used when speaking to Bernadette Soubirous or the visionaries of Fatima. Can you imagine her using a single one? The strength of our faith is not best witnessed by multiple exclamations, which seem like inappropriate loudspeakers at the top of some proselytiser’s minaret, but depth of reason to back up those things we believe in our heart.
Still, we all have our literary style, so keep moderating Toad’s fine literary flourishes and accept any old exclamation from Roger. Or so thinks Rabit. He may be wrong, of course.
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What nonsense Toad! Of course people can choose to research a subject, but that is not the same as choosing to believe it to be true or not. Could you choose to believe that the Loch Ness Monster is real, or that there are demons poking souls with real pitchforks?
But I can certainly appreciate that this aspect of the nature of belief is very problematic for many people.
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I really liked this post of the Catholic journalist, Joanna Bogle, entitled “Fatima and Russia”, and thought it might interest others.
“...and that mysterious promise “Russia will be converted”. Bl. John Paul took it seriously and became the “Fatima Pope”. And…well…look what’s happening.. churches full, Christian traditions and feast-days publicly honoured with big celebrations…latest development : a relic of “St Andrew’s Cross” was brought to St Petersberg to mark the anniversary of the founding of the Russian fleet, and crowds have lined up in their thousands and thousands to venerate it at cities across Russia and Belarus, some waiting for up to nine hours, in a massive display of public Christianity…read more here…
For years, people across the world prayed “for the conversion of Russia”. We didn’t really imagine what it would be like when it happened…
Life for most Russians is fairly grim: poor housing, poor healthcare, Mafia crime, high levels of alcohol abuse… Christianity is a message of hope and gives a sense of tradition and a framework in which to rethink Russian history and the ghastly events of the 20th century. And it is in no small measure all bound up with Russian nationalism.
The promises of Fatima did not suggest that everything would be perfect, but stated that the conversion would occur. And it is occurring.
One irony is that it is now the West that needs conversion…”
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Back in March last year I gave my understanding of the Catholic view of damnation on one of the CP&S threads. Kathleen was kind enough to say that she found my comment worthwhile. But I can’t remember exactly what I said then. But I don’t know much about hell, I don’t understand how anyone who believes in God can talk about it without being overwhelmed with terror or pity.
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Reading through the comments it seems to me that it’s worth reminding ourselves yet again that no Catholic is under any obligation whatsoever to believe that anything supernatural occurred at Fatima. And that belief or scepticism about Fatima has no bearing on a persons orthodoxy.
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Jerry
We are not Protestants the Deposit Of Faith is being revealed over time. Ever heard of Papal Infallibility and the Teaching Church? Pope Pius XII Consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as requested by the seer Lucy. If the Pope Obeyed and promulgated the Cult of Fatima (Our Lady Of Peace) and various Popes personally have visited and promulgated Fatima thats good enough for me.
God speaks through Prophets always has done to warn and correct as loving Father. Ignoring His warnings and presuming that as a Catholic you know everything is Presumption and could be concieved as fiflial Disobedience.
Its a Lukewarm argument that actually denies the Prophets whom God sends. The only reason why Rome and not Avignon is because a Pope obeyed a Prophet Catherine.
But since 1960 we have publically witnessed a contradiction. Fatima promulgated and accepted by the Popes BUT its messages denied! In the eyes of Men this is saying believe in God BUT you can ignore what He says! Just like the Jews 2000 years ago!
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Jerry,
I’m afraid I can’t remember your comment about Hell last year… but I believe you that I said it was “worthwhile” – your comments usually are! 😉
I don’t think the knowledge and idea of Hell should fill our hearts with either “terror” or “pity”. A healthy fear of Hell is not a bad idea, but ‘terror’ is wrong; it could even show a lack of trust in The Lord Our God, Who is Love Itself, and Mercy, above all else.
Let’s discuss terror a bit. A good and loving God does not wish His children to live in constant fear and trembling, and right from the announcement of the Birth of the Saviour, the angels tell us that they have come to bring “tidings of Great Joy”. All throughout the Bible, and very especially with the announcement by Jesus that “the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand”, we see how God leads His people to Eternal Life, our true destiny.
However every choice we make, whether large or small has consequences. That, as we all know, is common sense. If a man chooses, knowingly and adamantly, to reject this gift that God has destined for him and all men from the beginning of time, he is wanting to embrace Hell (the absence of God) for all Eternity.
Whilst this idea, that a man could prefer Evil and darkness over Goodness and Beauty, may seem too horrifying to imagine, crazy, inexplicable etc., God gave us Free Will to decide the path we wish to take, and if he/she (even after all the graces and opportunities poured out to turn from this path) continues to reject God till the very moment of death, this will be the soul’s chosen destiny.
God is Just and Good. No one goes to Hell by making silly mistakes, or even unwillingly…. but only because it is their CHOICE.
Pity is wasted on the souls in Hell. They neither want our pity, nor need it.
Rathe we should pity those (and greatly) who are on the ‘path to Hell’, but still have time to turn from sin and Eternal Damnation. Our prayers and sacrifices should always include a prayer for sinners, as Our Lady at Fatima insisted so often to the three little visionaries.
It would be foolish to reject Fatima, Jerry. It is just so wholly and completely CATHOLIC!
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It used to be thought that people went to Hell simply because they were not Catholics.
Nonsense, of course, but I remember being told it, in all seriousness, as a child. By priests and nuns. Anyone else remember that? Don’t all rush.
Apparently, Muslims believe the same thing about their religion.
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Fatima and Russia and Hell.
The vision of Hell cannot be separated from the message and request of Fatima for the Consecration of Russia. Expressly Russia spreading its Evils throughout the world. What then are these Evils? Wars? Revolutions? Marxism.
Well Marxism and Darwinism actually follow the same rational. Changes that impact upon Society. What are these changes and how are the percieved?
“..The scientific importance of Marxism as well as of Darwinism consists in their following out the theory of evolution, the one upon the domain of the organic world, of things animate; the other, upon the domain of society. This theory of evolution, however, was in no way new, it had its advocates before Darwin and Marx; the philosopher, Hegel, even made it the central point of his philosophy. It is, therefore, necessary to observe closely what were the achievements of Darwin and Marx in this domain. ..”
What is Society and indeed politics but humans interacting. So Evolution is at the Core of Marxism. Especially that processes can and should be accelerated. Processes that throw off the Old and embrace the new. The price paid is often the need for the Just War. Maxists and indeed the French revolution was about hastening social change. Modernising. Bringing up to date.
Nobody nowadays questions for instance Globalisation , the secular welfare state and so on. Social progress under reason such as abortion, same sex marriage. These have grown most especially from Socialism (just a form of Marxism really).
So we are can clearly see that what came out of Russia was the evolution nof Society. In fact we can be very confident in this change and evolution from older society towards a modern society.
But the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Evolution is the common manifestation between Marx and Darwin. Evolution is the road to Hell
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