Arguing With Atheists/Agnostics – The Movie

Switch to full screen, and see how much you can watch before losing the will to live!

(It’s an Infinite Fractal and Falling Shepard’s Tone, lasting ten hours)

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A sinner who hopes in God's Mercy, and who cannot stop smiling since realizing that Christ IS the Way , the Truth and the Life. Alleluia!
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37 Responses to Arguing With Atheists/Agnostics – The Movie

  1. Brother Burrito says:

    The following is from the Wikipedia article on the book by Milan Kundera “The Unbearable Lightness Of Being”:

    Challenging Friedrich Nietzsche’s concept of eternal recurrence (the idea that the universe and its events have already occurred and will recur ad infinitum), the story’s thematic meditations posit the alternative; that each person has only one life to live, and that which occurs in life occurs only once and never again — thus the “lightness” of being. In contrast, the concept of eternal recurrence imposes a “heaviness” on our lives and on the decisions we make (to borrow from Nietzsche’s metaphor, it gives them “weight”.) Nietzsche believed this heaviness could be either a tremendous burden or great benefit depending on the individual’s perspective.

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  2. Biltrix says:

    I’m really looking forward to watching the whole thing. Thanks for posting this!

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  3. Ha! This does capture it quite well but I think it would be more accurate if we had a video of someone driving round and round in a tiny circle.

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  4. GC says:

    Like this you mean, Signorina del Galles?

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  5. johnhenrycn says:

    “I’m really looking forward to watching the whole thing.”

    One assumes that Biltrix is speaking with tongue firmly in cheek.

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  6. Yes, GC! You’ve got it just right!

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  7. GC says:

    Although some less charitable than ourselves might suggest this.

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  8. Toadspitttle says:

    Ah…The Insufferable Smugness Of Being… A wonderful thing.

    Toad thanks God he doesn’t have to argue with atheists/agnostics!

    Still, we all have a good laugh at the ridiculous unbelievers – and that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? What a twit old Fred was!

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  9. I’d rather have a laugh about how maddening it is to go round and round in circles with an atheist when discussing the existence of God than give in to the temptation to be nasty to them. I don’t think there is anything uncharitable about making light of a ridiculous situation and I will continue to do so, thank you Toad.

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  10. GC says:

    Yes, dear Toad, we are not being serious. Well, not entirely.

    Brother B, if that’s the movie I can’t wait to read the book. Do they have T-shirts too for the plebs? They would be a real sensation, and what with Christmas just round the corner.

    Ms del Galles, do share with us some of your anecdotal evidence. Toad appears not to believe us..

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  11. Brother Burrito says:

    GC,

    LOLOLOLOL!

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  12. Anecdotal evidence of arguing with atheists? Well, I recently had an argument with someone in work who insists that Christians *must* be narrow minded and reject new ideas because we believe that God created the world. I argued that actually it is people who arrogantly rely purely on our current knowledge (of science, for example) who are the ones who reject new ideas and who ignore the fact that humans have been proven wrong time and time again. We used to be convinced that electroconvulsive therapy was the way to deal with depression, that Africans are not human beings…and how wrong we were (well, not me, I was born in the 1989 :p ). Who are we to reject new ideas when they present themselves? Yet, time and time again, atheists reject the idea of God as being too ridiculous (and yet the idea that the whole world came from nothing is perfectly rational…..right.) I argued that, if anything, being a Christian teaches you that the wonders which God can produce are endless, that we must also be open to new discoveries, to the possibility that we’ve got it all wrong. Acknowledging the overwhelming power of our Almighty Creator is a real lesson in humility.

    It really annoys me that someone I work with who sits with me in a room for 8 hours a day believes that I am narrow minded because I do not believe that we came from nothing and that this life is all there is. How can *I* be accused of being narrow minded when I am envisioning something which is beyond the horizon? That makes no sense!!

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  13. GC says:

    Ms del Galles, that you have to work 8 hours each day is unfortunate. But that you are seated next to a person whose evolved consciousness and reason seems wholly superfluous is simply carelessness.

    As for “belief”, our old friend, Mr Toad, believes that 1+1 may possibly =2, but at a stretch.

    Mr Brother Burrito, was your remark above intended as providing the libretto of the opera, the subject of your post, or does it have some deeper significance?

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  14. GC, I quite agree! In fact, I am about to rectify this situation. It really is shocking that we have to work for so long everyday. What a waste!! Oh well, Venerable Fulton Sheen says that we can turn everything into a prayer if we dedicate it God.

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  15. GC says:

    Dear ragazza, (may I call you zza for short? – never mind, that is a Toadism), I was just thinking you might be able to do a very amusing but nevertheless serious series of articles on here – “Arguments with Atheists I have sat beside – Liberating the Mouse Wheel in Eight Ghastly Hours”. It would be a blast (Is that the right word to use these days? Toad will know)..

    Actually, ragazza, I have to put in 10 or 11 hours a day at the office (plus weekends often- I have a separate office so-called, though), but me and the coffee cup fit just fine.

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  16. Dear GC,

    Sorry to hear of your long hours at work. I hope you are well paid.

    The series of articles sounds like a great idea. Count me in.

    Yours,

    Zza zza

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  17. GC says:

    What a treat that would be, dear Zza zza.. You seem very much more than able. I do hope the CP&S board might “come on board” (just as I hope people still say that sort of thing these days).”with that one”.

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  18. Dear GC,

    I’m sure we can find a way “to work outside the box”, you know, “shoot from the hip”, “push the envelope”. This will be “win-win” situation, I just know it.

    Yours,

    Zza zza

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  19. GC says:

    Yes, dear Zza zza, I “have a really positive feeling about this one”. Let’s hope you are “cold-called” by the CP&S non-stipendiary executive management..

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  20. kathleen says:

    Well, I’m not the boss in the Team on CP&S, but I’m “on board” with that brainwave! 🙂 Should make for some fascinating discussion. Get going on it gals!

    I don’t actually “sit beside” atheists, but I bump into them all day long. They are everywhere!
    However, the idea that they are all antagonistic or out to ridicule believers is wrong; most of them seem to be just too lazy to believe. Some of them are nice people, even kind and good fun. Yet they all hate talking about Death!! “Live for the day”, they say. (Not very long that, eh?)

    Maybe they also have this at the back of their minds: “Belief in God means following His Divine Law and an honest commitment to its requirements that might possibly not fit my laid-back, self-serving (often immoral) lifestyle.”

    The nasty ones (like most of those hogging the old DT blog) were just too vicious and uncivil to make anything resembling a respectful discussion at all possible. They won’t get an invitation to the party! 😉

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  21. GC says:

    Dear kathleen, and I must say you are more than capable as an apologist. Do you have a great interest in apologetics (how that word always sounds like “apologising”!) or. even more, are you involved actively in apologetics? Catechising adults?

    I think ragazzagallese could give us a lot of arresting insights in this department also.

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  22. I love reading Kathleen’s answers to atheists/Toad. She always gets it right!

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  23. Toadspitttle says:

    “Yes, dear Toad, we are not being serious. Well, not entirely.”

    When did Toad suggest you were being serious, GC? He knows better than that.
    Entirely.

    Why not call her(?) Rag?
    Zza Zza sounds as if she(?) – or we – had dozed off in the middle of it.
    Which is impossible, on CP&S.

    “As for “belief”, our old friend, Mr Toad, believes that 1+1 may possibly = 2, but at a stretch.”
    Would you care to explain what you mean by that, GC? Or are you not being entirely serious again? If so, get a grip, girl.

    The Unbearable Heaviness Of Being Adrian. Your prayers are asked.

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  24. GC says:

    It’s just that you are certain that we can’t be certain of anything muchl, Toad. Although Adrian seems a very certain customer, and about much more that 1+1. I sense you two wouldn’t get along.

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  25. Toadspitttle says:

    But I keep trying to explain GC, that 1+1 = 2.
    Always. For certain. No doubt. So you choose it as an example of scepticism. OK.

    Why 1 + 1 = 2, is another thing.

    The Unbearable Pointlessness Of Being Toad (on CP&S).

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  26. GC says:

    1+1= 1+1
    1= (-1)(-1) and 1 = √1 = √(-1)(-1)
    1+1= 1+ √(-1)(-1)
    1+1= 1 + √-1√-1
    But√-1=i
    1+1 = 1 + i^2
    But i^2 = -1
    So 1+1 = 1 + (-1)
    1+1 = 1-1
    So 1+1 = 0 QED

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  27. Toadspitttle says:

    So 1+1 = 0 QED

    So… the end result (which is what matters, of course) is: one added to one equals zero.

    Exceptional – and highly Christian – reasoning, GC.
    And, if you ever want to buy a second hand car, talk to me first.
    Have I got a deal for you!

    The Unbearable Brightness Of Golden Dazzling.

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  28. johnhenrycn says:

    I don’t get it, but then I’m one of the 3 out of 2 people who have trouble with arithmetic.

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  29. johnhenrycn says:

    …not to mention fractions.

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  30. kathleen says:

    GC @ 16:27 and ragazzagallese @ 16:33

    Thank you for your kind compliments that I definitely don’t deserve 😳 (They made me grow even pinker than I usually am when coming in from an exerting bike ride!)

    Yes GC, for years I used to be one of the catechists in our parish helping prepare the youngsters for the Sacrament of Confirmation. I loved it and saw it as more of a privilege than a duty. Sadly I had to give it up when other family commitments intervened.
    I never saw myself as an “apologist” though. Listening in sometimes to the learned, brilliant apologists on EWTN Radio, I see that term as being way above my pay grade!

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  31. Dear Toad, yes, I am a woman. Ragazza Gallese means Welsh girl, which I thought was quite a big hint. Call me whatever you like.

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  32. By the way, update on one of our resident atheists in the office: today, he tried to convince me that Jimmy Carr had been a “devout” Catholic (Jimmy Carr is a comedian who goes out of his way to offend people, particularly Christians) but totally turned away from it when he was 26. Apparently he was a “proper job” Catholic. As far as I know, “proper job” Catholics don’t just give up on their faith and they definitely don’t go around abusing Christians. Also, this term ‘devout’ is sooo overused.

    This atheist is really very nice in general, it’s just he thinks that people who don’t share his ideas are rather stupid and naive.
    He told me himself that he can’t believe in mystery, that everything has to have an explanation. But that’s nonsense because there are plenty of mysteries in science too. Some things we just have to accept as currently having no explanation!

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  33. johnhenrycn says:

    “Ragazza Gallese means Welsh girl…”

    Cool. We used to have a chick here called Golden Chersonnese, until she saw her spelling mistake and bogged off. Don’t know what became of her. Oh well, Ragazza Gallese is a nicer moniker than ‘Ndrangheta Calabrese.

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  34. kathleen says:

    Ragazzagallese,

    You are quite right: we are surrounded by so many mysteries, and science is only able to tackle the material or physical ones. The philosophical and spiritual ones are not part of its domain.

    This argument of your atheist workmate – that there are no “mysteries” and that everything must have an explanation – is one that is used a lot by atheists. Of course everything does have an explanation, but only God Who is Omnipotent has all the answers to the many questions that either amaze, trouble or puzzle us (atheists and theists alike).
    Atheists will only accept the scientific explanations. When the only possible explanation of something inexplicable to science (e.g. an evident miracle, like the raising of Lazarus from the dead, or the spinning of the sun at Fatima – two wildly different examples of “mysteries”) they will just refuse to believe any possible Divine intervention.

    It’s really hopeless, isn’t it?

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  35. Toadspitttle says:

    “It’s really hopeless, isn’t it?”

    Well, it might be Kathleen, and then it might not.
    Either way, Raga‘s atheist is silly to deny the very existence of mystery.
    There’s always been plenty of it around and – as far as I can see – there always will be.
    Mind you, as a toad I can’t see very far, anyway. Grass, cold frames and flower pots get in the way.
    Of course, Divine Intervention is a possible explanation. As is Satanic Intervention, I suppose. Or just random Intervention. Don’t know.
    Maybe in a million years we will know everything. And maybe not.

    …And sometimes, like you, I think it’s all hopeless.
    But…Onward Agnostic soldier.

    Did I ever explain the difference between the English and the Irish to CP&S?
    The English think everything is serious, but not hopeless.
    The Irish think everything is hopeless, but not serious.

    Toad is Irish when it comes to that.

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  36. Toadspitttle says:

    Yes, God seems to have lost interest in, “…the most distressful country that yet was ever seen, “
    Doesn’t He?
    Not wholly surprising, I suppose. These things come and go. Like Toronto mayors.

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