The Last Generation?

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By Fr Joseph Tham, LC

The month of May has begun, the smell of spring is in the air, and it is a month that motherhood is celebrated all over the word.  For Catholics, it is also the month we celebrate the maternal closeness of Mary.  It is therefore a strange contrast with some recent comments that surfaced about the irrationality of having children.

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  1. Toadspittle says:

    We have children because it is a biological urge, “built in” to us, as with all other animals, to ensure the survival of species.
    And yes, this urge is not “logical,” as we then have – or at least ought to – support them at considerable cost to ourselves.
    Many people realise this too late.

    But I suppose the real reason for having children is, as Mary told someone at Fatima, or one of those places – if there’s nobody to pray for you after you are dead – you may very well miss out on going to Heaven.
    There’s a comforting thought, eh?

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  2. The Raven says:

    Is it actually true, Toad, that we have this inchoate “urge”? Or is it just a truism?

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  3. Toadspittle says:

    It certainly seems true to me, Raven – at least I’ve had the “urge” on several hundred occasions, quite often with unhappy results.
    And I know, both professionally and personally, of very many more. Poor Mr. Clinton for example.
    But of course I can’t speak for everyone – for you, say.
    …And how many fine, upstanding, contemporary American fundamentalist “ministers” have been brought low by, “..that brave vibration each way free..”?
    Dunno. Lots, though. It is a very powerful urge.
    Truism or not.

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  4. The Raven says:

    I didn’t appreciate that you were such a firm believer in the teachings of Humanæ Vitæ, Toad.

    I am not sure that many men would necessarily draw an immediate link between that particular urge and an urge to have children; in fact my experience is that most people pass their lives splendidly oblivious to the idea that their actions have any consequences at all.

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  5. Toadspittle says:

    No, you are absolutely right there, Raven. I clearly didn’t make it clear.

    Having children has little – most likely nothing – to do with the urge of which we speak.
    But there is another “urge” – less powerful perhaps – to have children. A sort of ambition. Maybe a desire for a small variety of immortality, in some form.
    And, at times, it can make some kind of economic sense – to support Dad and Mum in their dotage, so it might not be altogether “irrational.”
    …Though this scenario hasn’t worked for me, so far.

    In summary, I suspect urge 1 (sex) has evolved to facilitate – if that is the mot juste, as Roger would say – urge 2 (offspring) – if only in a somewhat roundabout fashion..

    “I didn’t appreciate that you were such a firm believer in the teachings of Humanæ Vitæ, Toad.”
    …Nor I. But there we are.

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  6. GC says:

    Not a few hours ago I was talking with a colleague who is a Muslim East African married these 20 years to a local Malay woman.

    He looks forward to retiring in about 15 years, collecting his lump sum and returning to East Africa to acquire yet another bride there, but of the fresh young kind. This is in order to add at least six more offspring to the brood he already has with his first wife here.

    I sense his attitude to reproduction is probably more “wholistic” than Toad’s, who appears to compartmentalise things, shall we say.

    Raven, this attitude many of you westerners have to reproduction . . . is it the old Albigensian thing rearing up again?

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  7. The Raven says:

    I think that you are right, GC, the Father of Lies lacks invention; we see the same old things repeated endlessly under the guise of the latest thinking.

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  8. Toadspittle says:

    Well, GC, give your optimistic, and doubtless athletic, colleague my best wishes.
    One wife at a time seems the most prudent course to me, but then I’m a toad.
    But what if his next “fresh young bride” is a man?
    Let’s hope not, because the world needs as many new Muslim East Africans as it can get. Millions more probably, on this seriously underpopulated planet.

    “I sense his attitude to reproduction is probably more “wholistic” than Toad’s,”
    But not, then – we must assume from that – more wholistic than GC’s? (I’m also assuming – perhaps highly unwisely – that your current “Hubby” has only one wife. Profuse apologies if I’m wrong.)

    “..the Father of Lies lacks invention..”
    …No he doesn’t. That’s one of his inventive lies, to deceive gullible people like Raven. And it works.

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  9. The Raven says:

    Well, Toad, you are full of surprises on this thread: first Humanæ Vitæ and now an orthodox belief in the existence of the Devil (although I am a little worried by your claimed familiarity with his creative powers).

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  10. Toadspittle says:

    I actually believe there are about 7.16 billion Devils in the world, Raven, the total increasing daily.
    Quite a lot of them Chinese, too – a notion it might sadden Kathleen’s heart to contemplate.

    Similar amount of Gods too, naturally. Maybe even more – what with three persons, and pantheism – and all those Hindu ones with elephant heads, and two heads*, and what not. (Not sure if the total number of heads count, though.)
    …Don’t know how orthodox that belief is.
    Still, I might replace it any minute if more compelling evidence turns up.

    *I think I might mean six arms.

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  11. kathleen says:

    Well Toad, since you have brought my name into your bizarre and way-off-track ramblings, I shall have to respond. Let me just say though, that even knowing you as we do on CP&S, some of your recent comments on the blog have been more than usually offensive for many of us.

    But first of all, what on Earth makes you think it should bother me where the next generations of faithful Catholics come from? Whether it be from China, Africa, South America or anywhere else on the planet matters not in the least, only that as many souls as possible should find the One True Church that will lead them to Eternal Life.

    Secondly, to your comment on 2/5 at 17:51, have you ever wondered why what you call “urge number 1” in human beings is so linked to the virtue of love, and not only at the time when the woman is fertile and likely to conceive, unlike the same “urge” in the animal kingdom that is only orientated towards reproduction?
    That is because sex is special in Mankind – a gift from God to be enjoyed, protected and cherished in the Sacrament of Marriage between one man and one woman – and not to be misused as it is so much in the world today. The fact that in only a fraction of the times that spouses come together in marriage results in a new life being brought into being, is a clear indication that this gift from God is also designed to be an expression of the spouses’ love for one another. [N.B. St. Pope JP II’s “Theology of the Body” goes into this mystery.]
    However, when a child does result from this “gift”, it is a great blessing too…. just think: a human being with an eternal soul has been created. How truly amazing and wonderful! And how sad – re the article – that so many people have this anti-life attitude to bringing children into the world!

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  12. Toadspittle says:

    “Let me just say though, that even knowing you as we do on CP&S, some of your recent comments on the blog have been more than usually offensive for many of us.”

    Well. I can’t really see why, or how, Kathleen – but if that’s how it strikes you – then I am very sorry indeed. (Why? How?)
    I don’t, and didn’t – intend to offend – just to raise the odd point or two.

    I am well aware you don’t mind where the next wave of Christians are coming from.
    …Neither do I. Chinese? Well, why not, indeed?

    “..That is because sex is special in Mankind – a gift from God to be enjoyed, protected and cherished in the Sacrament of Marriage between one man and one woman.”
    Sex is special, all right. Bill Clinton, for one, (and I, for another) will ruefully confirm that.

    “Secondly, to your comment on 2/5 at 17:51, have you ever wondered why what you call “urge number 1″ in human beings is so linked to the virtue of love, and not only at the time when the woman is fertile and likely to conceive, unlike the same “urge” in the animal kingdom that is only orientated towards reproduction?”
    …Frequently.
    Much of journalism (history as well) consists of pondering little else, and the colossal trouble resulting from it.
    From Helen of Troy, to David and Bathsheba, Solomon and all his wives, Moses and his dark-skinned wife, on to Henry Vlll – and now with all these naughty old priests (of assorted denominations, to be sure) with small boys.
    …Old as the hills, if you will pardon the cliché.
    There may be “love” involved. Or maybe not.
    I don’t know.
    Sometimes, perhaps.

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  13. Toadspittle says:

    Why don’t you pay sufficient attention to your ludicrous blizzard of typographical “commands,” Toad, if you are going to persist in going on doing it – or else just leave everything on Roman – like sensible persons do?

    …It’s just like sex, isn’t it?
    Got to do it. Too compelling to stop.
    Then it’s too late.
    Some sort of “parable’ there?

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