Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’

By Sarah Atkinson, Catholic Herald online:

303872_2606267674815_1198602043_33251362_854126433_nLiberals, collaborating with the “new paganism”, are driving the Catholic Church towards a split, according to Bishop Athanasius Schneider, the liturgical specialist who is carrying on a rearguard fight against “abuses” in the Church.

So serious are the problems, Bishop Schneider said in an interview last week, that this is the fourth great crisis in the history of the Church, comparable to the fourth-century Arian heresy in which a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated.

If you have not heard of the Soviet-born bishop, you will. The sincere, scholarly clergyman is auxiliary bishop of the distant Archdiocese of St Mary in Astana, Kazakhstan. But this month he has received a rock star welcome from congregations across the country on his tour of England and he has embraced cyberspace to put over a trenchant, traditional defence of the Church. “Thanks be to God, the internet exists,” he said.

His views are not popular with everyone, especially not some of his liberal colleagues, or, he says, with the mainstream media of the secular world. But his audiences tell another story.

Bishop Schneider is best known for arguing that Holy Communion should be received on the tongue while kneeling, which he insists is the more efficient way to foster respect for the Sacrament and to prevent abuse of the Sacred Hosts. The 53-year-old bishop has called also for clarification (a new Syllabus of Errors), aimed at the clergy, to put a stop to liturgical and doctrinal freewheeling on a range of issues in the “spirit of Vatican II”.

In his interview, Bishop Schneider said the “banal” and casual treatment of the Blessed Sacrament is part of a major crisis in the Church in which some laity and clergy, including some in positions of authority, are siding with secular society. At the heart of the problems, he believes, is the creeping introduction of a man-centred agenda, while in some churches God, in the tabernacle, really is materially put in a corner, while the priest takes centre stage. Bishop Schneider argued that this situation is now coming to a head. “I would say, we are in the fourth great crisis [of the Church], in a tremendous confusion over doctrine and liturgy. We have already been in this for 50 years.”

How long will it last? “Perhaps God will be merciful to us in 20 or 30 years.”

In the autumn, the synod of bishops will meet in extraordinary session to discuss the family, in the light of the questionnaire which Pope Francis invited the faithful to complete, giving their views on marriage and sexuality. Expectations are growing that rules will be relaxed on a range of sexual matters and in terms of divorced people receiving Communion as a sign of “mercy” from the Church.

Such views, according to Bishop Schneider, reveal the depth of the problem. “I think this issue of the reception of Holy Communion by the remarried will blow up and show the real crisis in the Church. The real crisis of the Church is anthropocentrism and the forgetting of Christo-centrism…

“This is the deepest evil: man, or the clergy, putting themselves in the centre when they are celebrating liturgy and when they change the revealed truth of God, for instance, concerning the Sixth Commandment and human sexuality.”

Although he says talk of change is mainly coming from “the anti-Christian media”, he sees clergy and lay Catholics “collaborating” with what he calls the new paganism. Bishop Schneider is particularly critical of the idea that these changes should be made so as to be merciful to those currently barred from receiving the Sacraments. “[This is] a kind of sophism,” he said. “This is not mercy, this is cruel.”

He suggested this was “a false concept of mercy”, saying: “It is comparable to a doctor who gives a [diabetic] patient sugar, although he knows it will kill him.”

The bishop believes there are clear parallels with great crises of the past, when leading clergymen were complicit with heresies. In the Arian heresy, he said, naming them on his fingers, only a handful of the hierarchy resisted. “We [Christians] are a minority. We are surrounded by a very cruel pagan world. The temptation and challenge of today can be compared with the first centuries.”

He added: “Unfortunately there were … members of the clergy and even bishops who put grains of incense in front of the statue of the emperor or of a pagan idol or who delivered the books of the Holy Scripture to be burned. Such collaborationist Christians and clerics were called in those times thurificati or traditores.”

And today, he maintained, we also have those who collaborate, our “traitors of the Faith”.

Pope Francis is perceived to be at the forefront of a new liberal attitude coming from Rome. But Bishop Schneider says: “Thanks be to God, Pope Francis has not expressed himself in these ways that the mass media expect from him. He has spoken until now, in his official homilies, very beautiful Catholic doctrine. I hope he will continue to teach in a very clear manner the Catholic doctrine.”

The bishop said he hopes “the majority of the bishops still have enough Catholic spirit and faith that they will reject the proposal and not accept this”.

Nevertheless, he can foresee a split coming, leading to an eventual renewal of the Church on traditional lines. But, he believes, this will not be before the crisis has plunged the Church further into disarray. Eventually, he thinks, the “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. “This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits,” he said.

In the turmoil, Bishop Schneider, fears traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have “power in the exterior structures of the Church”. But he believes those involved with the “heresy” will “not prevail against the Church”. And, in hope, the bishop said: “The Supreme Magisterium will surely issue an unequivocal doctrinal statement, rejecting any collaboration with the neo-pagan ideas.”

At this point, Bishop Schneider believes, the modern thurificati et traditores will leave the Church. “I can presume that such a separation will affect each level of Catholics: lay people and even not excluding the high clergy,” he said.

Such comments are unlikely to win Bishop Schneider popularity in some circles, but he argues: “It is quite insignificant to be popular or unpopular. For every member of the clergy, their first interest should be to be popular in the eyes of God and not in the eyes of today or of the powerful. Jesus said a warning: ‘Woe to you when people speak well of you.’”

He added: “Popularity is false… Great saints of the Church, such as Thomas More and John Fisher, rejected popularity… those today who are worried about the popularity of the mass media and public opinion… will be remembered as cowards and not as heroes of the Faith.”

Bishop Schneider observes ruefully that there are many whose views coincide with those of the pagan world who “declare themselves Catholics and even faithful to the Pope”, while “those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy” are labelled extremists.

Such critics may assert that Bishop Schneider’s concern over Holy Communion is like worrying over the numbers of angels on a pinhead. But the bishop insists that treatment of the Eucharist is at the very heart of the crisis. “The Eucharist is at the heart of the Church,” he said. “When the heart is weak, the whole body is weak.”

He argued that receiving Communion in hand “contributes gradually to the loss of the Catholic faith in the Real Presence and in transubstantiation”.

Bishop Schneider also rejected the idea that concern for the liturgy is less important than, or even separate from, concern for the poor. “This is erroneous. The first commandment which Christ gave us was to adore God alone. Liturgy is not a meeting of friends. It is our first task to adore and glorify God in the liturgy and also in our manner of life. From a true adoration and love of God grows love for the poor and our neighbour. It is a consequence.”

The bishop’s views have been shaped by his early childhood, growing up as a persecuted German Catholic in the Soviet Union, where he even had to attend atheism lessons at school. His book Dominus Est discloses how the German Catholic community kept alive their faith despite severe hardship and persecution. In his own experience, his mother and great aunt took great risks for their faith and on behalf of others in the community. So Bishop Schneider and his family were horrified at the liberal attitudes and practices in the West, especially in respect of Holy Communion, which had been so rare and so precious to the persecuted German Catholics of the Soviet Union.

Seemingly like the little boy in the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the bishop now feels compelled to speak out and he cannot understand why others do not do the same. “It seems that the majority of the clergy and the bishops are content with this modern use of Communion in hand… For me this is incredible. How is this possible, when Jesus is present in the little Hosts?”

He continued: “There is the grievous fact of the loss of the Eucharistic fragments. And the fragments of the consecrated Host are crushed by feet. This is horrible! Our God, in our churches, is trampled by feet!”

Bishop Schneider admitted that he is “very sad that I am feeling myself as one who is shouting in the desert”.

He said: “It is time that the bishops raise their voices for the Eucharistic Jesus who has no voice to defend himself. Here is an attack on the Most Holy, an attack on the Eucharistic faith.”

But despite his concerns, Bishop Schneider is not pessimistic and believes that there is already a groundswell of support for traditional values that will, in time, renew the Church: “Little ones in the Church have been let down and neglected,” he said. “[But] they have kept the purity of their faith and they represent the true power of the Church in the eyes of God and not those who are in administration.

“I spoke with young students in Oxford and I was so much impressed by these students. I was so glad to see their purity of faith and their convictions, and the clear Catholic mind. This will renew the Church. So I am confident and hopeful also in respect of this crisis in the Church. The Holy Ghost will win this crisis with this little army.”

He added: “I am not worried about the future. The Church is Christ’s Church and He is the real head of the Church, the Pope is only the vicar of Christ. The soul of the Church is the Holy Spirit and He is powerful.”

Bishop Athanasius Schneider’s book Dominus Est: It is the Lord! is published by Newman House Press. His work Corpus Christi: Holy Communion and the Renewal of the Church, is published by Lumen Fidei Press

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10 Responses to Bishop Athanasius Schneider: ‘We are in the fourth great crisis of the Church’

  1. GEOFF KIERNAN says:

    Bishop Athanasius Schneider has hit the nail on the head with his contention that the lack of respect for the Real and corporeal presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is at the heart of troubles in the Church. The reception of Our Lord in the Hand whilst standing is intrinsically disrespectful





  3. 000rjbennett says:

    Here in Germany, the fourth great crisis of the Church is raging as perhaps nowhere else, except possibly in the Netherlands or Austria. I wish Bishop Schneider could bring his knowledge of the German language and culture here and say the kinds of things he is quoted as saying in this article.

    Would any German bishop or cardinal actually invite him, though? Would they listen to him? Hardly. I think he would have to come as the guest of groups that are faithful to the Magesterium, groups like the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP) or the Institute of St. Philip Neri in Berlin.

    Those of us lay people who support these groups and feel close to them know just how sorely, even desperately, Bishop Schneider’s message is needed in a land where faithful Catholics are regarded as little more than benighted eccentrics or extremists.


  4. johnhenrycn says:

    Just yesterday at Mass one of our priests had to come down into the nave to pick up a Host which had been dropped on the floor. If I’d seen it, I think it would have been my duty to pick it up and eat it (am I right?), but he took it into the sacristy and I don’t know what he did then. A few years ago, one of our little altar boys tripped and sent a whole cupful of wafers flying across the altar steps. I scooped them up, but as they were unconsecrated, I didn’t feel anything else was required but to set them discreetly aside.


  5. johnhenrycn says:

    An innocent question: how did Fr Barrocas’s comment get inserted here before rjbennett’s and mine, seeing as we posted before he did? Oh, now I remember…a new poster is put into a moderation queue until proving he/she is not a troll. I don’t have much to say about Father’s post, except what does he mean by Nicene III? I must have missed the second one.


  6. johnhenrycn says:



  7. kathleen says:

    @ johnhenry

    Yup – I’m afraid that is exactly what happened to Fr. Barrocas’ comment yesterday! I must have been the last one of the CP&S team on the blog yesterday morning, only managing to look in again late last night when I saw Father’s comment waiting in the dreaded “Moderation” process. 😉

    But in answer to your question about what to do if one sees a Sacred Host fall to the ground I found this:

    This subject is addressed in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 280:

    “If a host or any particle should fall, it is to be picked up reverently. If any of the Precious Blood is spilled, the area where the spill occurred should be washed with water, and this water should then be poured into the sacrarium in the sacristy.”

    There is no mention of leaving the host on the floor, and in fact it should be picked up immediately, both out of respect for the Lord and lest it be trampled by unwary communicants.”

    It doesn’t actually say anything about having to consume it though.

    I’m pretty sure you did the right thing with the unconsecrated hosts the little altar boy spilt – an entirely different matter.


  8. kathleen says:

    @ Fr. William Barrocas

    With all due respect Father, after the disastrous period in the aftermath of the Second Council surely it would be preferable to try to ‘tidy up’ the documents of Vatican II first (with the ‘Syllabus of Errors’ Bishop Schneider talks about) rather than convene a third Council, don’t you think?

    Mention of “abuses of the freedom granted for adapting to times” reminds me of G.K. Chesterton’s words of wisdom: “The Church always seems to be behind the times, when it is really beyond the times.”


  9. GC says:

    Well, thanks be to God, johnhenry, you’ve managed to sort out that personal Nicaea 1 and 2 knotty problem.

    What the idea of Nicaea 3 suggests, of course, is that the apostolic Churches of East and West Rome, Antioch and Alexandria can meet again after the schisms down the course of many centuries. A lovely hope, but oh the difficulties! Definitely a Holy Spirit job there since there is no longer any Constantine, Equal of the Apostles, to bang holy episcopal skulls together.

    But they may need to uninvite a good many of the bishops of the Western or Frankish Church of Europe, the Americas and Down Under, if orthodoxy is key.


  10. GC says:

    And there’s a fairly good short article on the subject in The Atlantic, JH:

    What does it mean that there will be a new Council of Nicaea?


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