from:http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com
Ancient Catholic Missals show that the Latin Mass Canon has been basically the same ever since Pope Gregory the Great (560-604). Pope Pius V (1504-1572), only slightly modified this ancient Gregorian Missal, along with some of the rubrics. He did not modify the Roman Canon itself. He then promulgated this ancient Roman Latin Mass in all places (except where there was still in use another Rite that was 200 years or older). This did not include where the Byzantine Rites were being used. But remember, the vast majority of Catholics are Roman Rite Catholics.
Vision St. Gregory Had While Offering The Latin Mass
Since then, slight changes have been made, like new saints feast days, but the Tridentine Missal, or St. Pius V Missal was in use all over the Roman Rite Church for 400 years.
But then, in 1965, this Tridentine Missal was translated into the vernacular (in our case, English) and no longer was obliged to be offered in Latin only. The Novus Ordo, (New Mass), of Pope Paul VI was promulgated and began being offered all over the Roman Rite world in December 1969. The Latin Tridentine Mass was then suppressed in the Church, (except for a few places and for old priests who did not want to offer the new mass or could not learn it).
At the exact time that Latin was being removed from the Catholic Church’s Sacraments, all hell broke out in the world. Many attribute the break down of society and the down fall of the Catholic faith to the “drugs, sex and rock n roll” revolution of the late 60’s. I contend that it was the devil, and his friends (demons), who brought on the revolution.
Remember that the devil hates Latin and the sacred ancient Latin Sacraments, Rites and prayers of the Catholic Church. So you can see that it was precisely when Latin was being removed, (1965-69), that all hell broke loose.
Many ask why the devil hates Latin and why it is used in Exorcisms and has power over the devil. The answer is that ecclesiastical Latin is a sacred language that was reserved only for the divine service of the Church of God, in prayer and in the Sacraments. (There is classic Roman Latin of Cicero that is also studied today. But it is significantly different for the sacred ecclesiastical Latin.)
Our profane language is English. It is used to cuss with, to curse with, gossip with, to lie with, to deceive with, to corrupt souls with, along with all the other common ways it is used to communicate with.
On the other hand, ecclesiastical Latin is only used for holy things, and is a dead language that does not change and has been reserved for centuries just for prayer, (especially the Latin Mass). For this reason, the devil hates it.
It is so sad when Catholics say they hate the Latin Mass. They literally say they do not like it, or, in some cases, say they hate the Holy Latin Mass, just because it is in Latin. They also say that they do not want to go because they cannot understand what is being said. I tell them, please, God gives you everything all week long, 24-7, can’t you just offer God one hour in sacred prayer, the way He likes it? Why hate what the devil hates? Why not love what God loves?
The proof that God love’s the Latin Mass is the it was He that had His Church offered it that way, in the Roman Rite Church, for the last 1800 years? The only other answer is that God and His Church had it wrong all those years, and finally, 1800 years later we got it right. How absurd.
My theory is that when the popes removed Latin from the Roman Catholic Church, and suppressed the Tridentine Mass, that is what allowed all hell to break out on earth. We need to return to the Latin Mass and other Latin Rites and prayers to fight the devil.
I talk about the Roman Rite or Roman Catholic Church because Latin is our sacred language. Other rites use other sacred languages like Greek, Russian, and Aramaic. Most of these rites have not had their Divine Liturgies altered since Vatican II and are still basically in their ancient form.
Let us all do our part to get rid of hell out of this world by bringing back the Latin Mass, all the Latin Rite Sacraments and the Exorcisms. We are so blessed to be traditional Catholics and have these nuclear weapons to fight the devil.
Catholicism Pure & Simple 
I enjoy reading Fr. Peter Carota’s site and have learned much from him.
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I’m told, by this man:
…that until the mid-19th century, the only subjects taught in the best English public schools were Greek and Latin, and that pupils were expected to learn other less important things, such as mathematics, English, history and geography during their holidays.
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Here’s a longer version of Mr Gwynne’s thoughts about the importance of Latin in the formation of intelligent human minds:
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At the 8:10 mark, Mr Gwynne gently scolds his class’s translation of a Latin text with these words:
“This is something, just so you know, that when I was at school, any 8 year old would have effortlessly done after his first or second lesson at Latin. That is how our teaching has changed in the time since I was at school…”
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From a purely personal perspective, and with only the greatest respect for those within the church who I know have its best interests at heart, I have nonetheless never quite grasped the reasoning behind the churches’ compulsion in recent years to feel the need for, or desire to promote the belief that being “fashionable” is part of Our Lord’s plan.
It was not only the Roman Catholic Church that felt the need to succumb to the trend for “modernisation” in the late 20th century; traditional churchmanship in all the major denominations engaged with this phenomenon in the, as it happens, mistaken assumption that it would stem the decline in church and chapel attendances.
As the record shows, it did not, and church attendance continues to decline in the developed world, despite the emergent social Bon Amis, and often somewhat “Folksie” nature of the Holiest of Devotions – The Eucharist. While at the same time the enemies of Christianity prosper.
The very welcome return to traditional forms of worship, which can trace their antecedence back to the dawn of Christianity I believe, is exactly what we as Christians need, and what the Church establishment needs to bring us back in touch with Our Lord through that Golden thread that links us with all the great Saints and Doctors of the Church and ties us down, anchoring us clearly and concisely to Our Lord’s life and passion, to the extent that we can feel the link palpable.
It seems to me that essentially, rather than modernisation enabling closer and deeper spirituality with Our Lord, it has to a large degree resulted in a blandness, and somewhat lack lustre approach to what is the most beautiful and profound mystery, that of communion with Our Lord. How much more powerful and meaningful to commune with Our Lord in an environment that can be shared with all who have gone before, and in a way that is be understood and experienced through the millennia, joining with them in common thought and Liturgy – an army of saints in union against evil.
In the baron wilderness of evaporating spirituality and personal “drifting” that I believe emanates , in substantial part from “blandness” in worship, and which is now commonplace in Christian worship, it is I think, the re-emergence of traditional forms, including the Latin Mass, that allows us to be transported to another realm – God’s realm.
The obvious spirituality, respect, and devotion that I have seen enacted for example in masses conducted in the Extraordinary form, have moved me to such a degree that I was transfixed, and I believe this to be the case with many people for whom this form or worship will have been largly ly foreign and unfamiliar.
The Eucharist is the source and summit of the lives of all who communicate with Our Lord. In traditional worship, gone is the blandness so undeserving of a God who should be honoured with all that is best; gone is the “ordinary”, replaced by a true and palpable sense of the Real Presence being honoured as it should, with awe, reverence and devout respect in the beauty of profoundly spiritual prayerfulness that arms the soul .
In today’s world, we become too easily conformed to the ordinary; little moves us or arouses emotion. Even the horrors of this world have to some degree become normal as we remain largely unmoved by countless Television images of killing and disaster.
For me, being given this wonderful chance to draw close to God for the first time in many years, and to engage with him at a far deeper level than I ever believed possible, is something that I could only have found in the Extraordinary Traditional Latin Mass. It has strengthened and affirmed my faith and many others who I have spoken to and who have shared the experience.
Catholics should embrace this as a wonderful jewel, and the opportunity to deepen and explore their spirituality in a way that is truly “out of the ordinary” and wonderfully Extraordinary in every respect; and get back in touch with the vast armies of souls who have suffered and been martyred for their beliefs and practices, drawing on their combined strength to fight the evils of the world.
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John, you’re actually our dear Roger, finally exposing himself as a graduate of Oxford, or Cambridge, and I claim my £5. What a well drafted comment! I especially liked the bit about “the baron wilderness”. But seriously, that was really an excellently composed piece.
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Thank you johnhenry 🙂 Its nice to be back!! I have not been able to contribute for weeks as there have been some evil little gremlins hiding in the internet frustrating my attempts. I did try to post a few times but they never appeared and must still be somewhere in Cyberspace. Anyway seems OK now, so looking forward to some good debates !!
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Well, John, whatever the reason for your disappearance, one hopes that your confirmation has progressed and is imminent. To absent oneself from the WWW is often a good thing. God bless.
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John, you speak so much sense, I just have to esteem you highly. Long may you comment here!
The Holy Catholic Church is the only body on this earth that holds the turning of dumb matter (bread and wine) into Holy God is its centre, beginning and end.
This Holy Action resonates so much with both the Incarnation itself and the Conversion and Sanctification of the individual human soul, that only a damned idiot could fail to see and understand it.
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Brother Burrito, “The Holy Catholic Church is the only body on this earth that holds the turning of dumb matter (bread and wine) into Holy God is its centre, beginning and end.” ….
And yet how painfully wanting is our outward expression of appreciation of this awesome fact! The greatest and most wonderful mystery known to man. The presence of Our Lord’s sacrifice brought again in all its suffering before us, the route to our salvation presented to us with and in love, the touching of our human souls with the soul of the divine …. Yet how difficult it is even for the most devout, to grasp the awe and wonder of it all in the absence of that which helps transport our inner selves towards his glory and a heavenly vision. Our appreciation can surely only be reflected and perfected in the, albeit poor offerings of earthly beauty and perfection that human kind can summon up. Like incense that carries prayer to heaven, the beauty of art, music and prayer are vital aids towards lifting our hearts upwards in not only Eucharistic Communion, but also Spiritual Communion; and that beauty is I believe found within the sum total of centuries of all that is best in Catholic tradition and practice.
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Yes, yes, yes I agree with all you say, but I still make my plea for the littlest ones of God: We must still make the most complex and subtlest mysteries of God available by all means to the simplest and most confused of God’s children, the God-less and the Faith-less.
I include my two oldest children amongst those. God be with them.
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John: Some very compelling insights… Thank you and God Bless
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I suspect that those who attached the appellation “extraordinary form of the Mass” sought to lessen the Latin rite of the mass in the eyes of everyone. It has proved to a be a ‘backfire’ of large proportions. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the Tridentine/Latin rite is truly extraordinary….
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Extraordinary indeed…yet when I was a child it was common and ordinary as well as proper…why it changed…only God and the archangels really know…the Bishops of Rome respond to worldly and outside pressures that do not bode well for those of us who yearn for Canon Law, dogma, and orthodoxy.
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At the exact time that Latin was being removed from the Catholic Church’s Sacraments, all hell broke out in the world. Many attribute the break down of society and the down fall of the Catholic faith to the “drugs, sex and rock n roll” revolution of the late 60’s. I contend that it was the devil, and his friends (demons), who brought on the revolution.
Well I contend that the Russian Revolution and the Holocaust (not to mention the 2 world wars themselves) occurred before the change in liturgical language.
It was a mistake to abandon Latin. But the author is being rather silly
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John’s essay is splendid, and yes, “the baron wilderness,” is a charming mistake. Almost Freudian. I mean, the wilderness can indeed be “barren,” but perhaps it can also be “baron” in the sense of “noble” or “ennobling.”
As for Tom Fisher, what he says is in many ways correct. I don’t know how old he is – and it’s true that the great horrors of the twentieth century occurred before the suppression of the Latin Mass and the use of Latin in Church – but for those of us who managed somehow to live through the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, there really was a frightening – and I think valid – sense of a “breakdown of society and the downfall of the Catholic faith.” I believe many of us really and finally found our way out of that “barren/baron” wilderness only when we found our way back to the Tridentine Mass.
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RJB: I asked Tom once how old he was. He didn’t answer.
I asked him so as to determine what experience he has of things pre VII. From someone that was around then, let me tell him that the Holy Catholic Church was held in far greater esteem than it is now. Her doctrines and beliefs were cherished by the vast majority of practising Catholics. 80% were weekly attendants at Mass.
Convents were overflowing with aspirants. Seminaries were also full.
Belief and reverence for the real and corporeal presence of the Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament was universal.
Our children attended Catholic schools, staffed exclusively by Religious Nuns or Brothers, teaching and ensuring a sound grounding in Catholic doctrine and practice.
For the Church/World now to be deprived of the saving power and solace of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in all its glory and fullness is a far greater tragedy than the Holocaust or two world wars.
The end result is the Mass has been devalued and distorted . It is no longer a Sacrifice of the Son to the Father in reparation and atonement for sin. Now it is more often that not referred to as a Eucharist meal or the supper of the Lord or something else equally erroneous and is Man centred and not God centred.
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Geoff, I agree with you. The Church you describe is the Church I remember as well. I also agree that it can certainly be argued that for the Church “now to be deprived of the saving power and solace of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in all its glory and fullness is a far greater tragedy than the Holocaust or two world wars.”
Like most Catholics, I believe there was certainly nothing wrong with Vatican II. It was the so-called “spirit of Vatican II” that caused the destruction of the Church that people of our generation grew up with. I have thought and said repeatedly that the “spirit of Vatican II” had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit and everything to do with “the smoke of Satan” in the Church that Pope Paul VI spoke of on June 29, 1972, on the occasion of the ninth anniversary of his coronation as pope.
But then I also often think of St. Thomas’ comment in the Summa: “As Augustine says (Enchiridion xi): ‘Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.’ This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.” (Summa Theologica, Part One, Question 2, Article 3, Reply to Objection 1)
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From the Eye of the Tiber website:
JH, indecent haste. There are still a few of these oldies, slightly alive and kicking, They are occasionally wheeled out into Roman corridors, where they can have a nice chat and talk about how things were sooooooo much better in the 70s.
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Thanks so mucb
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