Chapel Veils: a re-emerging tradition

A new and well made video from CNS

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21 Responses to Chapel Veils: a re-emerging tradition

  1. Tom Fisher says:

    man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her head, because of the angels.

    Very straightforward one supposes. Though it’s not hard to see why some balked at it. At least Paul does make his reasoning plain, and it is not at all about the head-coverings effectiveness as a devotional aid.

  2. toadspittle says:

    Ladies (those of the female sex, at least) are once again covering their heads during Mass, we are told. Why? For what reason – Respect, Tradition, “Modern” Fashion,* Bloody-mindedness, or simple beauty?
    No, just because it looks nice – and attractive to others (often men.).
    …Surely that’s sufficient reason?
    No, Toad. The Council of Trent, etc., Heresy, etc, Original Sin, blah, etc., Angels Dancing On A Pinhead, etc., blah, etc. Thin End Of The Wedge, etc, Nervous Order, etc, Cripes, etc., What Is The World Coming To What With Gay Irish Marriage And The Sky Falling Down Simultaneously, and Somebody Re-Cycling the Altar Rails, Blimey, etc., …and People Receiving Communion On All Fours, etc, and God’s In His Heaven And All’s Wrong With The World, etc., and What Does Benedict Think, etc., and God knows what all else …To say nothing about …
    (Oh, shut up Toad, you idiot.)

    ..Oh, all right.

    *Resurrected from the past, as are all fashions.

  3. GC says:

    Do you feel better after that, Toad?

  4. toadspittle says:

    Indeed I do, GC!
    Just started typing, all tolerant, humble, loving-my-neighbour, normal-like, sort of as usual you understand – and then – Cripes! Wow! Shazzam! – The Spirit Moved Me – and I went into free-fall-mindless-rant!
    Did poor old Toad the power of good.
    …Blew all the gosh-darned, cotton-pickin’, Jabba-persecutin’, Pope Francis lovin’ – stink right off his nasty little green hide – as Ginnyfree would happily aver. (if The Authorities were able to keep her off the Vera long enough to do so, that is.).

  5. toadspittle says:

    “Reblogged this on Solutio Problematis Omnes (aka “The Catholic Linker”).”
    Didn’t know that, Solutio. Sincerely sorry to hear it.

  6. toadspittle says:

    “….man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God…”
    Well, that may be true of Tony Blair, Mel Gibson, and Henry Kissinger, but what about the rest of us?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/27/henry-kissinger-human-rights_n_7454172.html

  7. johnhenrycn says:

    That comment and link is so off topic it doesn’t even meet the criteria for posting on the new Off Topic Forum.

  8. toadspittle says:

    Quite right, Jh. It’s a disgrace.

  9. ginnyfree says:

    Hello all. I love the video. I veil. No kidding. I love the gal saying that things that are sacred are veiled and so we, women who have a sacred vessel in which we bear children, should be veiled. My mind went to one of the titles we use for Mary, the Mother of God in her Litany: Singular vessel of devotion, vas insigne devotionis, as well as vas spirituale, spiritual vessel and vas honorabile, vessel of honor. Hello?!?!!? Blessed is the fruit of your womb! God honoring a particular part of the female anatomy for all to see through all generations. Yeah. It really does mean that much to God. We should honor our very selves as well, ladies. Treat yourself in a holy way. You are being told by God how He feels about your very own womanhood. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  10. johnhenrycn says:

    “Blessed is the fruit of your womb!”

    Well, who would not give a ‘thumbs up’ to GF’s comment like I just did? But let me say this: I don’t think the word your ought to be used in reference to the Queen of Heaven. The word your is used too much in reference to Mary and also to the Holy Trinity. The words thy, thou and thee are what English speakers should use.

    The French still maintain the respectful distinction between vous and tu, as should we.

  11. Sorry JH, but thy, thou, and thee are in the familiar tense (as in tu)

  12. johnhenrycn says:

    I defer to you THR. I believe you to be a more accomplished linguist than me; but I stand by my point that, in English, “thou” is preferable to “you” when speaking of Mary and the Holy Trinity. In English, “thou” is less familiar than “you”.

  13. ginnyfree says:

    Yo, what about ya’ll? Or like us yankers say youze guyz? Sheesh. I can’t even speak right. How ya’ll doin’ with that? God bless. Ginnyfree.

  14. I actually agree, however for a different reason. As God’s adopted children, He is our Father, and thus the familiar (familial, if you like) is appropriate. On the other hand, in dialect currently devoid of a singular formal pronoun, thou, thy, and thee can certainly be used a formal alternative to you(which was originally the plural of ye)

  15. The Raven says:

    Coming from a part of the world where “thee” and “thou” are still used, I confirm that HRM is correct: these are the familiar forms (which is why the Quakers used to insist on them: acknowledging no man as a superior).

    “You” and “your” are coldly formal terms (see the letters of Charles I if you don’t believe me), not what we’d address friends or family members with; it is wholly appropriate that we refer to Our Lady as “thou” and say “hallowed be Thy name” in reciting the Pater Noster, as this is our Mother and this is our Father, as Our Lord has commanded us.

  16. johnhenrycn says:

    I’m as nervous as a long tailed dawg next to a rockin’ chair when you’re around, honey😉

  17. johnhenrycn says:

    Harrumph. So, was I right again but for the wrong reasons? Most non-experts think the antiquated “thou, thy and thee” more formal/respectful in modern parlance than “you and your”, and that is why formal/respectful people worshipping prefer the former over the latter when striving for words of utmost formality and respect.

  18. geoffkiernan says:

    HERE WE GO AGAIN….. This topic is familiar, somehow….

    The wearing of a veil by women, the genuflection before the Tabernacle and when entering or leaving a Church, the reception of The Body and Blood of the Creator and of the world while kneeling and on the tongue, will go a long way to restoring the ‘sense of the Sacred’ so sadly lacking in todays world.
    Our Youth, desperately long for that which is sacred, what ever it may be.
    I Went to a novus ordo ‘Mass’ last Sunday. (the renewal of marriage vows included) Of the 80 to 100 people in attendance, you could count on one hand the number that Genuflected . Most Left the pew turned their back on the Tabernacle and stood talking for about 15 minutes in the isles. Joke telling and loud voices are almost obligatory ( these days) during what is supposed to be a Holy Sacrifice to the creator.
    The nice catholic church????? You bet it was.
    Speak up about it or say anything in defence of what used to be Holy and Sacred and you are labelled of crank or a heretic / schismatic or just a plain trouble maker with nothing Positive to say about anything.
    No body it seems has the Testicles these day to speak out about this travesty/tragedy that is overtaking the Bride of Christ.

  19. johnhenrycn says:

    “Our Youth, desperately long for that which is sacred…

    There are, I believe, young people who see older people, like Geoff Kiernan, as examples, so all is not lost. In my Novus Ordo parish, there is little foolishness, and our retiring (79 year old) pastor in his last letter cautions us to beware the cult of the pastor and to protect the parish.

  20. geoffkiernan says:

    Thanks JH… God bless him… sadly he is in the minority, in my part of the world anyway.

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