Fr. Barron on Love, Tolerance, and Making Distinctions

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11 Responses to Fr. Barron on Love, Tolerance, and Making Distinctions

  1. kathleen says:

    Well, Fr. Barron makes an honest analysis of the true meaning of loving others in spite of disagreeing with them (which is none other than basic Catholic teaching of course), hoping that at some point he would declare, and distinguish where the real hatred lies, i.e. against all those who refuse to accept as legitimate either sex changes, or lesbian and sodomitical relationships as ‘marriage’! Nope, he didn’t. Disappointing. Very disappointing.

    Father appears to make out that this hatred through disagreement is a 50/50 way thing, whereas the hatred he talks about is clearly on the side of those who either indulge in, or acclaim homosexuality and gay ‘marriage’ not only as legitimate, but as on an equal standing as true marriage!! The recent campaigns in Ireland for “Marriage Equality”🙄 and the US have shown up with vivid evidence of who the true haters are.

    The Church is made up of saints and sinners (with us sinners being clearly in the majority) and yet it is quite apparent that the voices who oppose the abomination of the oxymoron of gay ‘marriage’ – a sin that “cries out to God for vengeance” – do not hate those who are its adherents. Many faithful Catholics have family and friends who are caught in the clutches of homosexual sin – or any other type of vice and evil for that matter – and this is a sorrow and worry for the state of the soul of the loved one, but most certainly not “hatred”.

    This is one more example of how successful the powerful and evil ‘gay lobby’ has become these days; they have infiltrated the psyche of people everywhere, even members of the Bride of Christ!
    And it is also just one more example of how difficult it has become for honest Catholics to take a stand against them. By voicing our disagreement we are thrown into the same ‘basket’ of ‘haters’.
    May God help us.

  2. toadspittle says:

    “…hoping that at some point he (Barron) would declare, and distinguish where the real hatred lies, i.e. against all those who refuse to accept as legitimate either sex changes, or lesbian and sodomitical relationships as ‘marriage’! “
    Nonsense. Those people don’t “hate” us – they just couldn’t care less what we think. Why are Catholics so keen to be hated? Makes no sense.
    (Right – wipe that comment out.)
    I know only one or two people will read this. That’s OK.

  3. GC says:

    kathleen, I felt Fr Barron’s points were spot on. My only quibble, with all due respect to Father Barron, was with his, to me, unnecessary references to certain philosophers. Perhaps, Father can’t leave that exalted company long enough to see that mere mortals like us can also easily see through the tactics of the gay lobby, very few of whom are actually “gay”, I suggest. We were able to see exactly what they were doing with all their slogans. That was easy.

  4. johnhenrycn says:

    Reading Kathleen’s comment earlier today, I decided not to listen to Fr Barron. Reading GC’s comment just now, I decided to give him a try. I managed to get to about the 5 minute mark by which time I concluded Father was basically saying the right things but in an extremely boring way whereupon I switched over to the Weather Network. Contra Kathleen, the gist of his piece is that criticism of homosexual lifestyles is not always equivalent to hatred. That seems to me to have been the only point of his long-winded mundane lecture, but perhaps the last 4 minutes would have shed a different light on his views. (Generally speaking, I do like Fr Barron.)

  5. kathleen says:

    Thanks GC and JH; it’s always interesting to hear differing opinions… well, only slightly “differing” really, for Father Barron was, as I said, also reiterating Catholic teaching in the first few minutes on loving our neighbour, even if this neighbour is our ‘enemy’… and with this we all agree, naturally.

    “The gist of his piece” that you (JH) rightly point out, i.e. “criticism of homosexual lifestyles is not always equivalent to hatred”, is simply preaching to the choir. We know this. It is the ‘gay’ lobby and their followers that refuse to understand it, or to be either tolerant of any mindset but their own, or to distinguish between our hatred of the sin, but our love of the sinner, through the desire for his/her eternal good. They see the Catholic Church as the biggest stumbling block to achieving their aims; so we are ‘The Enemy’ for them! (And the same goes for the pro-abortionists.)

    The fear many Catholics are undergoing in these times is the unrestrained virulence, loathing and mockery of ‘gays’ or ‘pro-gays’ towards us. (The recent hate campaign against the ‘No’ voters in Ireland, for example, was quite unbelievably nasty.) And it is perhaps precisely this fear of being sworn at, spat at, branded a bigot (or worse), etc., that has subconsciously prompted many Catholics to alter their views towards the homosexual agenda, and to ‘accept’ their perverse lifestyle and ever-increasing demands for more and greater ‘acceptance’, rather than take a stand against them and be victimised. Many erstwhile good Catholics have fallen prey to the gays’ slogans and intimidation dear GC, through the gay lobby’s cunning schemes. (Remember the “Homosexual Manifesto” we linked to recently on here?)

    But yes, I admit I like Fr. Barron too. He says much that is very good, and his Catholicism series was beautiful, but I find I don’t always agree with all his opinions, and as with this video clip above, he leaves far too much unsaid.

  6. JabbaPapa says:

    It speaks volumes about the level of “education” these days, that the meaning of the word “tolerance” needs more than a 5 second explanation …

  7. toadspittle says:

    Nothing to do with education. “Tolerance” means something to Jabba and something to Toad. Does it mean the same thing? Maybe, maybe not. And if it does mean the same, how can we establish what that “same” is?

  8. GC says:

    And it is perhaps precisely this fear of being sworn at, spat at, branded a bigot (or worse), etc., that has subconsciously prompted many Catholics to alter their views towards the homosexual agenda, and to ‘accept’ their perverse lifestyle and ever-increasing demands for more and greater ‘acceptance’, rather than take a stand against them and be victimised.

    kathleen, you might find this interesting, from a news report today. It’s one of the gay lobby groups in the US telling us how they did it:

    In recent years, attitudes toward same-sex marriage shifted significantly in line with a shift in lobbying tactics . . . One of the best practices we have learned is that it really resonates when you talk about love and family more than equality and legal rights . . . One of the biggest campaigns we did in America is ‘Love is Love’ – that nobody should be denied the right to love who they love. When you have an emotional appeal, it moves hearts and minds in a more rapid way.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/samesex-marriage-us-gay-lobby-group-advises-australia-to-seek-legal-and-political-change-for-equality-20150711-gi8svz

    I think Fr Barron got off on completely the wrong foot with this. Nothing to do with his philosophers and “making distinctions”. It was about cynically manipulating emotions on a national level.

  9. kathleen says:

    Just read your interesting link, GC. What a crafty lot of manipulators these LGBT perverts truly are – just like the ‘master’ they work for!

  10. GC says:

    Yes, kathleen, and the prime culprits are no doubt drawing 6-figure recompense for their cleverness, funded as they are, and as they were in Ireland, by massively wealthy foundations and supported by large worldwide media networks and secularist political elitist cronies.

    What is noteworthy to me is that they say they haven’t finished yet. (Andrew Sullivan is an innocent). They believe they have further to go. Gayriage is just a mere step along the way

    Marriage equality is a benchmark … It is not a finish line. You cannot legislate acceptance. That comes from moving public opinion and changing hearts and minds.There is still stigma attached to homosexuality . . . . I think that we have a long way to go.

    I think we know what that will entail.

    ..

  11. kathleen says:

    We do indeed, GC! (Big sigh)
    Time to ‘batten down the hatches’ – there’s a ‘storm’ brewing on the horizon.

    Yet let us not forget that Our Blessed Lord will not allow the Barque of Peter to capsize; He will calm the ‘troubled waters’ if we remain steadfast.

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