Islamic State (IS) strikes at ‘Eldest Daughter of the Church’ (France)

Newspaper front pages talk of "war in central Paris", horror and carnage

Newspaper front pages talk of “war in central Paris”, horror and carnage

Breaking news: on this significant date (November 13) for the followers of Islam, the authorship of last night’s brutal, murderous attacks in Paris has been officially confirmed what we already knew – it was perpetrated by members of IS (or ISIS/ISIL). With calls of ‘Allahu Akbar’ (God is great) Islamic terrorists planted bombs and cowardly machine gunned down hundreds of innocent Parisians outside a football stadium, in various restaurants, in the street and in a theatre where young people were enjoying a concert.

The whole world has been left in shock by this barbaric act of despicable evil.

But is it really such a surprise? Islamic fundamentalists have been filling our airwaves announcing their hatred of the West and threatening our people for a long time now. Besides, this is only the latest in a long list of savage attacks on Western targets after we have seen a growing radicalisation of Islamists within our frontiers for decades. Some of these European-educated jihadists took part in the US terrorist attacks of 9/11. Before 9/11 there have been many others against America and its allies. Their ongoing genocide against Christians in the Middle East and other parts of Asia and countries in Africa is common knowledge. Now ISIS are stepping up their murderous jihad in the heart of post-Christian Europe.

After unheeding the countless warnings of the coming clash of civilisations in Europe we have been exposing ourselves to over recent decades, we are starting to see our worst fears unfold before our eyes. Will firm measures to conbat this situation finally be enforced, both in practical military ways, and also in a more psychological questioning way; i.e., why have we become so vulnerable to such evil ideologies as militant Islam?  Is it not about time we realise that we are digging our own grave if we sit back after ‘patching up’ the latest atrocious attacks and do nothing more about the threat Islam presents, while continuing to allow the hordes of uncontrolled Muslim migrants pour into our countries where (they have admitted themselves) they have hopes to one day take over?

At the same time perhaps we should take a longer, deeper look into why we have permitted ourselves to have become so defenceless.*

Pray for the victims of this atrocity and their families.

And wake up Europe! Before it becomes too late.

*(H/T to Michael Kenny for this link.)

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From the BBC:

Paris has suffered a night of deadly attacks, described by President Francois Hollande as “unprecedented”.
Shootings, bomb blasts and a hostage siege have left at least 128 people dead and some 180 wounded. At least 80* are in critical condition.
Six places were targeted, almost simultaneously.
France has declared a state of emergency, imposed border controls and deployed 1,500 extra troops.
This is what we know so far.

*(This figure is now being quoted as 99 in a ‘critical’ or ‘very grave’ condition.)

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From the Catholic Herald:

‘We are shocked by this new manifestation of maddening, terrorist violence and hatred,’ says Vatican press office

The Vatican has condemned terrorist attacks that claimed the lives of at least 120 people in Paris last night.

In a statement, the Holy See Press Office said: “Here in the Vatican we are following the terrible news from Paris. We are shocked by this new manifestation of maddening, terrorist violence and hatred which we condemn in the most radical way together with the Pope and all those who love peace. We pray for the victims and the wounded, and for all the French people.

“This is an attack on peace for all humanity, and it requires a decisive, supportive response on the part of all of us as we counter the spread the homicidal hatred in all of its forms.”

In a telephone interview with the Italian channel TV2000, Pope Francis said he was shaken by the “inhuman” attacks.

“I am close to the people of France, to the families of the victims, and I am praying for all of them,” he said, according to Vatican Radio. “I am moved and I am saddened. I do not understand, these things hard to understand.”

He added: “There is no religious or human justification for it.”

Cardinal André Vingt-Trois, the Archbishop of Paris, has announced that he will celebrate Mass in Notre Dame Cathedral on Sunday evening for the victims, their families and the whole of France.

The bells of Notre Dame will ring out 15 minutes before the Mass begins.

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34 Responses to Islamic State (IS) strikes at ‘Eldest Daughter of the Church’ (France)

  1. Michael says:

    He added: “There is no religious or human justification for it.”

    Unfortunately ISIS think there is, and have a fair bit of warrant for thinking so as well. What adds to the profound sadness surrounding events like this is the inevitable sense of anger as public figures in the West go out of their way to explain how – yet again – Islamist movements have nothing to do with Islam. This attitude really is not helping, and is (IMO) symptomatic of a deeper blindness to the realities of the enemy without our societies (although, I wouldn’t be surprised if some or all of the perpetrators in this case turned out to be French citizens) and the self-inflicted rot within it.

    For some more examples of the latter, see these articles from Lifesite News:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/56-faith-based-groups-led-by-catholics-for-choice-urged-senate-to-fund-plan

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prominent-dominican-friar-publishes-book-claiming-thomas-aquinas-said-homos

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/brussels-new-archbishop-mercy-is-condescending-church-needs-to-be-more-rele

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/not-truthful-un-homosexual-activists-co-op-photo-of-mother-teresa

  2. Michael says:

    Or, as Roger put it on another thread:

    as Christendom (the west) has been reduced into a spiritual desert! (this is what the Apostacy has created), do you wonder that Islam finds the ground fertile?

  3. kathleen says:

    I agree Michael. Why are so many of our politicians and journalists such spineless PC idiots, pandering to Islam instead of speaking the Truth: murder, war and extortion has EVERYTHING to do with Islam. The only reason most Muslims do not behave in this savage way is because these are probably basically okay guys in spite of the mandates of their (ahem) ‘prophet’ and his Koran, not thanks to them! Islam is a heretical creed that inspires its adherents to violence.

    Our wise Pope Benedict XVi knew this. Quoting Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaiologos in his prophetic speech in 2006 at Regensburg in Germany, he stated:
    “Show me just want Mohammed brought that was new and there you will find things only bad and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

    Islam’s desire to conquer the world, added to the general Apostacy from our once flourishing Western Christendom as Roger/Robert says, has indeed left us dangerously vulnerable.

    No time right now to read all the links you give, but must just say that in a couple of debates I have listened to, one on the radio, the other on TV, about these horrific attacks in Paris, on both accounts when left-leaning speakers were trying to make out that “Islamist movements have nothing to do with Islam” they were shouted down by the other speakers! One journalist pointed out that war and killing within Islam started with Mohammed and his immediate descendants, and has never ceased ever since!! Perhaps the Spanish are a little less PC than the Brits.😉

  4. Michael says:

    Kathleen @ 15:34

    Indeed – there are a minority of people in every part of the world and in every culture who want to do terrible things, but it is only Islam which provides a mandate for doing so. Every time something like this happens, liberal commentators pull out the same couple of peaceful verses from the Qur’an, ignore all the rest, and make out that this has settled the case that Islam is really a ‘religion of peace’. Islamic interpretative tradition however, is not really on their side for the most part, and the verses justifying war against unbelievers etc are much more plentiful than these commentators would like to admit:

    How does the theological debate over abrogation impact contemporary policy formulation? While not all terrorism is rooted in Islam, the religion is an enabler for many. It is wrong to assume that more extreme interpretations of religion are illegitimate. Statements that there is no compulsion in religion and that jihad is primarily about internal struggle and not about holy war may receive applause in university lecture halls and diplomatic board rooms, but they misunderstand the importance of abrogation in Islamic theology. It is important to acknowledge that what university scholars believe, and what most Muslims—or more extreme Muslims—believe are two different things. For many Islamists and radical Muslims, abrogation is real and what the West calls terror is, indeed, just.

    http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam

    As for the Spanish being a little less PC when it comes to this issue, I can understand that, given that Spain was one of the countries conquered during the Islamic ‘golden age’ (i.e.; the wave of military expansion during and shortly after Muhammad’s lifetime)!

    What is really bizarre about the bending over backwards not to criticise (and sometimes even to praise) Islam in the West, is that Islam stands directly against all their other pet topics – women’s rights, LGBT lobbying, individual liberty at all costs, etc. They are so keyed into the idea that Islam is a ‘victim’ (in the worldview assumed here, there is always a victim and an ‘oppressor’ – the latter usually being a rich, white, Western male) that they blind themselves to the fact that they are supporting a religion/culture which opposes everything else they stand for – amazing!

  5. Catherine Geldart says:

    To celebrate the Millenium, my two teenage sons travelled up to London with a male friend on hand in case my son and I , both diabetic, needed help. We’d arranged to meet my brother for a pub lunch and afterwards walked through Hyde Park and past Speaker’s Corner which had been commandeered by militant Islamists in the name of ‘free speech’. We’d all enjoyed ourselves and were laughing and joking and I never drink more than two. I was subjected to a frightening attack by a large group of these Militant Islamists and told that I was a daughter of Satan and would burn in hell. Luckily our friend and neighbour, also Catholic, is a very big guy. Don’t forget this was before 9/11 and there’d been plenty of time to throw these awful people out. 15, nearly 16 years ago and it’s only got worse!

  6. Tom Fisher says:

    The only reason most Muslims do not behave in this savage way is because these are probably basically okay guys in spite of the mandates of their (ahem) ‘prophet’

    Absolutely right! It’s not true that peaceful Muslims show that Islam is a “religion of peace”. Peaceful Muslims show that there is a common core of decency that most people share, and that it can survive even indoctrination. But every time someone criticises Islam (the ideology) they get accused of attacking Muslims (people). Back in Soviet times at least you could criticise communism without being accused of hating the Soviet people.

  7. Toad says:

    What does Isis believe? It believes that there is Only One God and that His instructions are written in an old book, and they are not to be questioned. Indeed, questioning them is inconceivable. Just to do so merits damnation. If we follow God’s instructions, that is to say, being a certain sort of Muslim – we will go to Heaven. Everyone else, Christians, Atheists, Hindus, you name it – are off to Hell. And particularly hell-bound are the “soft,” “modern,” liberal, Muslims, who tolerate “immodest” women who go around with their hair and faces uncovered – and also tolerate homosexuals. Homosexuals are sinful. Tolerating other opinions is sinful, Do so, and die. Church and State must be one. The only law is God’s law. It is harsh, but just. Everything is either compulsory or forbidden.
    What Isis hates most is the Secular Liberal West, where God is no longer treated with respect.Isis wants to get back to the Good Old Traditional Way of doing things. Like they did a thousand years ago. Burning and beheading people. Stuff like that.
    Incredible, really.

  8. Toad says:

    I forgot to mention above (if ‘above’ ever appears) that Isis believes this world is merely a paltry antechamber to the Paradise awaiting the faithful few who scrupulously obey God’s instructions.
    So it’s better to leave the world as soon as possible. Preferably as a “martyr.” Doing God’s sacred work. Our eyes should look constantly up to Heaven, not on life here in the squalid pit of sin.
    And that we should spend very much of our short, nasty, lives kneeling down before God and chanting prayers.

  9. kathleen says:

    Michael,

    I have read your above links now; they show in startling reality how the smoke of Satan has well and truly entered the Church disguised under its liberal ‘cloak’, but with a firm non serviam of its precepts. All the cases described are enough to make one rage in despair inside, but the one of the Dominican who has published that warped and disgusting book (and tarnishing the name of the Doctor of the Church, St Thomas Aquinas, to justify his evil mindset) is really the last straw.

    This is definitely our greatest dilemma; how are we going to confront the growing threat of militant, heretical Islam in our midst when we are as “a house divided” among ourselves? Too many in the Vatican are ‘shifting chairs on the Titanic’, worried about how to wangle Communion for the divorced and re-married, being kind to perverts (gays), and suchlike… and meanwhile we are under attack from all the forces of Hell.
    I am normally quite an optimist, but at the moment I can only see things getting worse for Western Catholics… and indeed all other true Christians. It all paints a grim picture for the very survival of our Glorious Faith in the continent that was once Her ‘cradle’.

    Meanwhile Satan and his ‘army’ advance menacingly – one battalion under the banner of Islam, the other under the banner of Agnostic Secularism!

    Never have the prayers to St Michael to “defend us in battle” been so desperately needed.

  10. kathleen says:

    Catharine @ 22:17 yesterday

    Glad to hear you got out safely from that frightening situation with the Militant Islamists!🙂
    There are many ‘no-go’ areas in most European countries where these Islamist bullies dominate and terrorise any non-Muslim who dares to set foot on their (growing) space. Yes, these aliens should have been shipped off back to their deserts right from the start; too late now unfortunately. (Oops… that’s not very PC is it? I’m in for some hassle.)

    There are not many Muslims where I live, and the ones that there are behave peacefully. However, some years ago as I was walking home one evening after dark from giving a Catechism lesson at the Church, a huge stone suddenly hit the wall beside me. I looked to see where it had come from just as another one narrowly missed me, and realised I was being stoned by a group of ugly-looking Moroccan youths!! There was noone else around, but I just turned and ran for my life, dropping my books on the way, and thus escaped. If that first stone had hit me on the head, I doubt I would be here to tell the tale!

  11. kathleen says:

    Toad @ 6:44

    This assessment of ISIS contains errors. The Islamic god is not the One Triune God Who has revealed Himself to Mankind. They believe only that God is Creator.

    Also, if it were true that ISIS hates only the “Secular Liberal West, where God is no longer treated with respect.Isis wants to get back to the Good Old Traditional Way of doing things. Like they did a thousand years ago. Burning and beheading people”, then why kill all Westerners they can get their foul hands on? They don’t distinguish between Secular Westerners and others; they simply march in and machine gun down, or behead, one and all. They obey the mandate of their ‘prophet’ and the commands written in their evil ‘book’. ‘Hate’ is the code by which they live and die.
    (They also hate the non-violent Muslims who don’t condone their barbaric methods.)

    Here are some clear, hard-hitting words from another blogger (Vox Cantoris) reporting on the Paris massacre:
    “[IS] can yell that their “god is great” all they want. He is not, their god is Satan.
    Islam is a curse upon the earth. It, together with the sodomite and lesbian agenda, are twin curses upon the earth because the True God has removed his protective hand because we have turned from Him.”

    [Edit] And referring to the Vatican’s statement on the massacre that the Catholic Herald reports above in the article, he (Vox) has this to say:
    “This is a statement of Masonic origin. It is a betrayal of Truth as found in Our Lord Jesus Christ. There is no mention of [H]im. The words nothing more or less than what any secularist leader would say. It is not what the Church should say. It is bile and shows the fundamental problem, the bishops and popes of the true Church of Christ have bought in to the world and diplomacy and international brotherhood as stated in equality, fraternity and liberty. It is a lie and these men will be held accountable for it.”

  12. Toad says:

    “This assessment of ISIS contains errors. The Islamic god is not the One Triune God Who has revealed Himself to Mankind. “
    It may contain errors, Kathleen, but whose errors? Mine or those of Isis?
    I agree they have got God all wrong. But they believe in their rotten God as fervently as you do in yours. And they are happy to die for “Him.”
    Painful “differences of opinion,” all right. Which leads a great many people to suspect that if we got rid of God altogether, things would be just peachy. I don’t believe that’s even an option. I’m with shallow old Voltaire who said, “If there was no God, we’d have to invent him.” I suppose we need something or somebody to blame the whole mess on.

  13. Tom Fisher says:

    The words nothing more or less than what any secularist leader would say. It is not what the Church should say. It is bile and shows the fundamental problem, the bishops and popes of the true Church of Christ have bought in to the world and diplomacy and international brotherhood as stated in equality, fraternity and liberty

    This is a war for the future of the west, and equality, fraternity, and liberty are values which are utterly at odds with the totalitarian beliefs and goals of Islamism. The Vatican statement wasn’t bile; it was a coherent statement of western values. People who would rather have religious coercion should think carefully, and then pick a side.

  14. Robert says:

    First Islam doesn’t follow and Old Book. Belloc book on Heresies points to the Islam source as the Old Testament and the New But with Mahommed being Allah’s Prophet.
    The Apostacy of the West didn’t happen overnight it grew and has been growing for centuries. St Ferrer and the Fathers Of The Church likened the Church to the waxing and waning Moon and the Darkened Sun. Ferrer could not have know of Malachy’s list but De Meditate Lunae and De Labore Solis is a pretty good description of the waning Moon and the eclipsed Sun!
    The West isn’t just material or liberal! Previous Blogs set out Aquinas and the Philosophic dilemma. Man body and soul. Created to live for Eternity BUT subject to Death. Aristotle recognising the eternity of the soul. But the soul aspires to God!
    The West has slayed the soul by demanding a material body that random changes over time called Evolution and NO soul.
    France isn’t the Eldest daughter of the Church she is By choice a step daughter! This Atheist materialism (desert because it has NO Grace) is a fertile ground for Islam which came out of the desert!
    The presence of Masonry in the hierarchy of Rome in 1960’s simply demonstrated the existence of an anti-church alongside of the true church. Weeds growing with the wheat!
    Since Fatima cited 1960 Heaven was clearly pointing to this muddled modernism and materialism which would be found from that time onwards.
    The Rosary and the Scapular and we are called to Love NOT Hatred.

  15. Tom Fisher says:

    Kathleen says:

    And referring to the Vatican’s statement on the massacre that the Catholic Herald reports above in the article, he (Vox) has this to say:
    “This is a statement of Masonic origin.

    Robert says:

    The presence of Masonry in the hierarchy of Rome in 1960’s simply demonstrated the existence of an anti-church alongside of the true church.

    For God’s sake. There is an actual struggle going on as to the future of our civilisation — The Masons are now a harmless group of losers who like to put on fancy dress once a month after work. It’s absurd that in the face of the actual threats we face people are still blathering on about a long since toothless remnant.

  16. Toad says:

    “First Islam doesn’t follow an Old Book. “

    Nonsense. It’s called the Koran, (or (Q’ran) Robterge. It’s much older than Shakespeare and Cervantes (by some 900 years). Which is old enough in my book.
    Tom’s quite right about the Masons. More CP&S paranoia, in the wrong place, as usual. Funny handshakes, absurd rituals involving swords (of course!) and chummy business deals over dreary chicken dinners with other equally dull people.
    Bourgeois, brainless, harmless, hapless and boring,

    Isis is real and will kill us all if it can. Unless we kill it first.

  17. kathleen says:

    I agree they have got God all wrong. But they believe in their rotten God as fervently as you do in yours. And they are happy to die for “Him.”

    Yes Toad, you’re right there, they are very “happy” to die for their satanical god. They will find him in Hell no doubt when they get there. Although perhaps he will not be quite as they imagined, even if he does resemble one of the worst of their own sort! No 72 virgins down there either – oh dear!

    Trouble is Toad, these jihadists want “to die” (to assuage their “satanical god”) whilst killing and maiming, in the most evil and savagely violent ways, all innocent harmless non-Muslim citizens, especially Christians, who just want to live in peace! And they do their “killing” even in our own homeland where they are the unwelcome intruders. That’s the problem.
    And at the same time as we in the West have been abandoning our Christian heritage, steadily growing more self-indulgent, materialistic, secular and godless, Islam has been growing increasingly in the other direction – towards a radical fundamentalism that only speaks of war, death and hatred.

    How can you call being a believer in the One Eternal God and His Church on Earth no more than an “opinion”? We have God’s Eternal Truth revealed to Mankind on our side.

    Our tragedy, our sin, is that we have thrown that “pearl of great price” into the dirt to be trampled on. For that we are now paying the consequences.

  18. kathleen says:

    This is a war for the future of the west, and equality, fraternity, and liberty are values which are utterly at odds with the totalitarian beliefs and goals of Islamism.

    Tom, I see your point, but do not forget that those “values”, equality, fraternity, and liberty, were the battle-cry of the French Revolutionists who brutally persecuted the Church. They only have true value when seen in the light of our shared Judeo-Christian heritage and brought to fulfillment in the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise they have no cornerstone and are little more than flimsy nice-sounding words devoid of meaning.

    I believe you (and Toad) are quite wrong in minimising the (proven) threat that Masonry infiltration into the Church holds. This is no “paranoia”; it is an established fact I”m afraid. While it may be true that there are quaint and harmless Masons around (as you describe), the one main aim of the Masons has been the destruction of the Holy Catholic Church. Everything She stands for flies in direct opposition to the ideas of universalism they expound.

  19. Michael says:

    Tom @ 10:57:

    The Vatican statement wasn’t bile; it was a coherent statement of western values. People who would rather have religious coercion should think carefully, and then pick a side.

    It wasn’t bile no, but neither was it distinguishable from anything one might expect to hear from any secular leader – which I believe is the fundamental point the Vox Cantoris quotation was making (i.e.; that many in the highest levels of the Church, when faced with significant global events, routinely invoke secular rhetoric, instead of presenting a coherent Christian response). To expect the Pope to do such a thing in his statement is hardly equivalent to wanting religious coercion.

    @ 11:13:

    For God’s sake. There is an actual struggle going on as to the future of our civilisation — The Masons are now a harmless group of losers who like to put on fancy dress once a month after work. It’s absurd that in the face of the actual threats we face people are still blathering on about a long since toothless remnant.

    On a personal note, the oft-mentioned links between the Masons and decline in the Church are still something that I am fairly unacquainted with, and thus I would be loathe to make any such connections myself, but the fact that you see the Masons the way you do hardly counters the arguments that they are still a significant and influential (and anti-Catholic; this at least seems undeniable) group does it? Their modus operandi has always been to work in the shadows, exerting great influence without attracting public attention, and so if they continued to do so now, the fact that people don’t think them to be worth bothering about doesn’t really stand against arguments that they are in fact doing what they do as much as ever.

  20. Robert says:

    Tom
    Look what do you think Fatima was about? “our civilisation” But this civilisation isn’t Christian actually its an illusion (virtual reality) because the Oil and resources have been monopolised and are running out. The global debt exceeds the worth of the planet!
    Your argument is worldly and we have been told LIVE IN THE WORLD BUT NOT PART OF IT. My kingdom is not of this world!
    The Blog and article on St Aquinas was so simply and set out precisely what Man is (body and soul) and the problem faced by the Ancient Philosophers. How Grace brings Man to His Creator repairing Original Sin and destroying Death through Resurrection (that is Man united body and soul). Look and understand that a material fabricated body (without a soul!) but activated by an angelic (fallen) spirit could be permitted! Masonry isn’t dead it is being fulfilled!

    The is No Trinity in Islam or Judaism neither sacraments (channels for Grace).
    It is Christianity alone that provides the solution to the problem of a corrupted and dying body; a living eternal soul BUT unable to reach God. Christ and only Christ is this bridge and proving the Resurrection.
    The route to Christ? Well the road chosen by God was Our Lady!! FULL of Grace (means that she was exempt from Original Sin).
    Creator? Well on the altars daily bread and wine are changed into a living body , blood and soul. The Creation of Adam by comparison is trivial!
    13 Oct 1917 the clouds that obscured the Sun!! cleared and the Sun Danced! The sodden ground dried and that crowd bent their knees!

  21. Michael says:

    Kathleen @ 09:20:

    Agreed – we are fighting two battles here, and the result of the internal one (which secularism is patently winning at present, and will probably continue to do for some time) is undermining our ability to counter the threats from outside. The fact that someone so high up in the Dominican Order could have written what that man did is a sign of how deeply the rot has set in.

    I highly recommend the book Secularisation, written by Edward Norman in 2002. He wrote it whilst still an Anglican, and so all the specific case studies he presents there deal with the CofE, but the essence of what he describes can be applied to the Church as well (he was received in 2012, via the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham). Basically, in the West, a good majority of institutional Christianity over the last fifty years or so has exchanged actual a Christian worldview (i.e.; one which seeks first the Kingdom of Heaven, places duty before pleasure, recognises love as something more than fleeting emotions, etc) for a secular, materialist one which prizes benign emotions and inclusivity over all else.

    What he outlines is all too familiar unfortunately, but he provides an excellent analysis of the whys and whatfors of the situation. As for our present concerns, this short piece gets to the nub of things rather well:

    http://www.catholicgentleman.net/2015/11/miserere-nobis-a-plea-for-conversion-in-the-midst-of-a-world-in-crisis/

  22. Toad says:

    “..whilst killing and maiming, in the most evil and savagely violent ways, all innocent harmless non-Muslim citizens, especially Christians, “
    That is incontestably true, Kathleen – but we shouldn’t neglect the fact that Isis has killed vastly more Muslims than they have anyone else. I’ve read 300,00 cited – but I have no idea. However it may well be true. Rather like “Christian” Catholics and Protestants in the Good Old Days. (Not so long ago in Ireland, either.)
    I don’t think it’s all right for Isis just to kill other Muslims, myself.
    But I’m an old leftie, liberal,”modernist” softy. Isis will hate me.

    i.e.; one which seeks first the Kingdom of Heaven,
    Very nicely put Michael. If you asked an Isis person what they were doing, they might well tell you the exact same thing – as they strap on the explosive suicide belt to kill “immodest” and “gay” Westerners.

  23. Catherine Geldart says:

    Thank you Kathleen what a terrible experience to have! The West has left an empty niche for Islam to fill. Everything feels shaky and uncertain. An old University friend took a job in Saudi Arabia. He was in charge of safety at oil refineries. When Westerners live in Saudi they must abide by Islamic rules, flouting them brings deportation. This is where the West went wrong. For many reasons we fail to present a strong Christian front to Islam. My friend had to explain to Muslim oil workers that respirators don’t fit over Islamic beards and the gap allows ingress of toxic gases. Their answer ‘Allah’s Will’ whether we die or not! I tweeted this anecdote and was informed that ‘new’ equipment allowed for the accomodation of Islamic beards! Even manufacturers pander to these people! Everyone must have their Saudi oil. The secular World is greedy and spoiled. It will be undone by its Sin.

  24. Toad says:

    Re the above story by Catherine – the bit re: beards. The manufacturers might not also have wanted to “pander” to :Christian,” beards, like Our Blessed Lord Jesus had, or – God forbid(!), Atheist beards – would they?
    I don’t care either way I’m suspicious of beards, of any religion. Wonder what they are hiding. Receding chins, usually. Mind, you, manufacturers are wise to “pander” to anyone with a dollar in his pocket.
    Even Saudis…. Make that especially Saudis. Don’t we all?

  25. johnhenrycn says:

    Toad, couldn’t have laid off with all that moral relativism schtick of yours for a couple of days? Jesus, Mary and Joseph. What a bore thou art.

  26. kathleen says:

    Catherine @ 16:10 yesterday

    What a great comment! With this example you give of how we in the West “pander” to heretical Islam, lies the root of the whole problem. We have indeed failed to present a strong “unified Christian front to Islam”, and they, arch enemies of the One True Faith as they are, have taken advantage of our weakness with all its ‘political correctness’ buried in that French Revolution slogan of liberté, égalité, fraternité we pride ourselves to upholding in the West.

    I can only see two solutions for the growing threat of annihilation hanging over us in Europe, one practical and the other spiritual.

    1. We must stop Islamic migration into Europe NOW. Infiltrated among the immigrants come radical jihadists bent on continuing their war on the West. (If they do not want to return to their places of origin, they can go to rich Saudi Arabia, or any of the other many Muslim countries that have no conflicts.) Illegal Muslim immigrants should not be allowed entry into Europe, and the ones that have slipped through the net already should be sent back.
    All home-grown radicals (and there are possibly thousands of these ‘enemies within the gates’) should be either locked-up or their every move monitored by a well-equipped, anti-terrorist police force.
    The mosques that breed Islamist radicals with hatred for the West, spewed out by their screaming, militant mullahs, should be razed to the ground.
    The legitimate attacks against ISIS in the Middle East by the West and her allies should be intensified until this army of Satan that is ISIS, is totally obliterated.

    2. Europe should turn back to its Christian roots. Our Lord Jesus Christ must reign Supreme once more, King of kings, and Lord of lords. The Holy Catholic Church should purify Herself of the ‘smoke of Satan’ that infiltrated Her ranks (re the demand of Satan to Our Lord in the vision of Pope Leon XIII) and the sins of liberalism (heterodoxy) that have steadily undermined the teaching of the One True Faith.
    Once the True Faith is allowed to flourish in all its radiant beauty, people will return joyfully to Her ranks, and a Catholic renewal with ‘the armour of Christ’ protecting all men, will then commence.

    This may all sound like a pipe dream, but unless it is undertaken we are done for!

  27. Michael says:

    Kathleen @ 09:20:

    These (the practical questions of how to deal with the current situation) are very difficult. For instance, whilst I agree that well-off Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE should be doing a lot more to take in migrants (especially genuine refugees) – at the moment they have taken hardly any, and have made no moves to do so either – and that we need to stop illegal immigrants from entering European borders, I really don’t know how we can do this without a significant overhaul of European polity.

    One of the main problems is that, because the EU set-up has done away with effective border controls of each country within, anybody can enter a European country on the fringes of the continent and gain temporary citizenship of some kind, claim refugee status, or simply disappear into that country’s system, and thereafter move freely about the continent as a whole. Germany, still (understandably) desperate to avoid anything that even distantly resembles nationalism, sends out the message that it will take huge numbers of migrants (again, without real checks involved), and then as soon as it realises that the numbers are impossible to deal with (approx. 10,000 a day at the moment, according to Germany’s own government spokesman) it decides that migrants should stay in the country they first arrived in.

    This (also understandably) really ticks off the people of Greece, Italy, Hungary, etc, who rightly complain that they have been further implicated in a problem by another country. Thus we are witnessing not just a problem with respect to Islam and the assumptions (or lack thereof) of multiculturalism, but also of the EU itself – it is a huge bureaucratic system, which wastes a lot of money creating laws which the parliaments of supposedly sovereign countries have to accept, and the only real reason for justifying its continuing existence is that it enables the countries of Europe to deal with crises that affect them all. Well, it failed with the economic crisis, and it is failing with this one too. Add that to the list of things most politicians want to pretend aren’t happening.

    Anyway, as to how we deal with the migrants arriving into Europe, I think we either have to create a rigorous system by which we can ascertain the legitimacy of the claimants (I have no idea how one would go about doing this personally) or we just shut our borders completely, put pressure on the aforementioned Arab countries to take people in, and increase aid to refugee camps in Syria itself. Of course, most, if not all, of this will probably not happen, but there we go.

    Regarding monitoring of extremists in European countries, the problem here is that, again, our political correctness and lack of any coherent set of beliefs is a problem. Not actually standing for anything ourselves anymore, and desperate to avoid offending Muslims, increased government powers to monitor its citizens will probably only end up in more Christians being prosecuted or struck off for not ‘celebrating’ same-sex marriage or suchlike than anything else, and will undermine the very civil liberties we are supposed to be trying to defend (such proposals are now trying to be brought through in the UK). Furthermore, without any real beliefs other than equality and diversity, what counts as ‘extremism’ really equates to what might happen to cause offence to one group at anyone time, according to the government’s assessment.

    The truth is that we already know who the real ‘extremists’ are, where they are working and what they are preaching, but we cannot eject them, having enshrined in law EU legislation on human rights (which, whilst having many salutary aspects, makes it nigh on impossible to convict anyone of anything unless they’re actually caught with a gun in their hand); don’t want to offend anyone by suggesting that it is a.) Islamic extremism that is the problem, and b.) that this might have just a teency bit to do with Islam; and each country does not have control over its own borders anymore, so relies on a self-serving institution that is proving itself to be more useless as time goes on, to determine its fate. Worst of all, short of the usually empty talk about tolerance and solidarity, we don’t really know what the West is or stands for anymore, so instead proceed with gesture politics – and ISIS are certainly not going to be too worried about graphics merging the Eiffel Tower with the CND logo.

  28. Michael says:

    P.S. Actually, there is one thing that could be described as a shared belief, or at least underlying principle, amongst Europe’s politicians (and many of its people) – hatred of its own cultural roots. This is accompanied by a deliberate ignorance of history motivated by the underlying knowledge that the secular project has failed to replace that previous culture that they so despise.

    This is why, despite all the damage it does, they refuse to confront reality – because in naming another cultural force for what it is, and going beyond the gesture politics and empty rhetoric I mentioned above into a real debate about how to confront that force, they would have to look to our own resources, and find them sorely lacking. Then also they would have to look to the one remaining alternative – the Faith – which so many, despite their everyday indifference, (only made possible by its elimination as a strong and influential presence in our culture) hate, knowing it stands against the permissive, decadent way of life they love so much.

  29. kathleen says:

    Yes, dear Michael, I know; that’s why I said it was only a “pipe dream”.😥

    By the way, does anyone wonder why all the peaceful Muslims who ‘eat our bread’ do not come out in their tens of thousands to condemn the savage massacre in Paris? Why are they not making their voices heard to shout out loud and clear,”Not in my name you ISIS devils”? Are they afraid of their co-religionists perhaps?

    Could it just possibly be (surely not!) that they really don’t care two hoots about the murder and destroyed lives of hundreds of innocent Westerners? … After all, they were only ‘kaffir’, weren’t they? The silence of the so-called ‘non-violent’ Muslims is deafening… and I think their lack of any proper outcry against the atrocity speaks volumes.

    Besides, I have been shown by friends some absolutely diabolical links to tweets and Facebook entries where Islamists are actually rejoicing and congratulating each other at having aimed this murderous blow at the heart of France!!
    How more despicable and evil than this can you get?

  30. Robert says:

    La Salette
    “France, Italy, Spain, and England will be at war. Blood will flow in the streets. Frenchman will fight Frenchman, Italian will fight Italian. A general war will follow which will be appalling. For a time, God will cease to remember France and Italy because the Gospel of Jesus Christ has been forgotten. The wicked will make use of all their evil ways. Men will kill each other; massacre each other even in their homes.”

  31. Michael says:

    Kathleen @ 11:42:

    Yes, sorry, I was just waffling/raging against the modern world and using your comment as a springboard to do so to be honest!🙂 It is indeed unfortunate though (as we both agree) that despite there being clear issues to address with respect to the situation being discussed, it is highly unlikely that anything will be done to address them.

    As to why there is not more overt condemnation from peaceful Muslims about ISIS/Boko Haram/El Shabaab/etc, I don’t know. In countries where Muslims are a minority I suppose there might be some concern about drawing too much attention to themselves, knowing that there will be a lot of negative feeling towards them, but in Muslim countries, there is next to nothing, and no similar excuse. I have a terrible feeling that the real reason is that, despite condemning the lengths to which ISIS go, more Muslims than we would like to admit actually support the basic principles that motivate that murderous group (i.e.; hatred of the West, expansion of the ‘House of Islam’ and its restoration to past glories).

    I can’t be 100% sure about this of course, but I am pretty confident that if a Christian group existed that did the things Islamist groups spend so much time doing, there would be large voices raised against such activity very quickly, calling out ‘not in my name’ and drawing attention to the disparity between the actions of said hypothetical group and those of Our Lord. Strangely enough, when Islamist attacks occur, mention of Muhammad’s (ahem) exemplary life is seldom mentioned in support of the ‘religion of peace’ thesis.

  32. Michael says:

    P.S. To return to the theme of how Western culture and the Church in particular have been corroded by secularism, I just saw a quote which sums up rather well what the latter needs to consider, and quickly:

    https://fjdalessio.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/without-solid-truths/

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