Whence Comes the Special Resistance to Christ?

Screenshot (730) A few days ago, with the civilised world still reeling in the aftermath of the horrific and barbaric Islamic terrorist attacks in Paris, I read this startling post from Canadian ‘knight for truth’, Vox Cantoris. Here is a blogger who never tires of bringing to our notice the numerous betrayals coming from many of those who currently hold the reins of Church governance and public relations. Instead of a solid, authoritative Catholic assertion to the one Truth – that of the  Sovereignty of Christ over all the Earth – as the only solution to the morally weak and vulnerable position in which the West has now been reduced since its leaders and governments forfeited their Christian heritage, we are dealt up waffly, secular nonsense that has little to do with Catholic teaching. In response to this feeble article from Vatican Radio, Vox explodes in defensive fury with these hard-hitting words:

“The modernist and heretical and masonic liars free under Jorge Bergoglio to run amok in the Church and to lie to the world have done it again. “It is through education that horrors can be overcome.” No, you filthy liar, it is through Our Lord Jesus Christ. 

It is only when Man recognises Christ as Sovereign Lord and King, and his Divine Law written into the doctrines of His Bride, the Church, as the only right and true path to follow, that the threats, dangers and ills of the morally weak West (and indeed, the rest of the world) will ever find solutions. Blog11-23-200x300

Vox then goes on to link to the excellent article by Msgr. Charles Pope (part of the title of this post) in which he draws from “an anthology of the writings of Joseph Sobran (1946-2010), long-time editor at National Review and a keen observer of culture and its intersection with faith”, and follows with some of his own wise observations.

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[…] Sobran writes beautifully of the strange resistance that the world has for Christ:

Great as Shakespeare is, I never lose sleep over anything he said … By the same token nobody ever feels guilty about anything Plato or Aristotle said … We aren’t tempted to resist them as we are tempted to resist Christ (Subtracting Christianity pp. 1-2).

I have often pondered the world’s special hatred for and resistance to Christ and His Body, the Church; it is unparalleled. Few of the Protestant denominations experience this hatred. The Buddhists don’t seem to be subject to it, nor do the Muslims even despite all the recent terrorism.

There is almost a knee-jerk, visceral reaction to Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church that is so over the top, so irrational, that one has to marvel at it. The world doth protest too much. Why?

Is it fear? Perhaps. But the Church is not powerful enough to “force our views” on everyone, as some who hate us say we do.

There is no rational explanation for the intense fear and hatred of the world for Christ and Catholicism except to echo the words of Christ Himself:

If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without cause’ (Jn 15:18-25).

Yes, they hated Him without cause—at least any rational cause. For indeed, there must be a cause. But it is so irrational and hateful that I surmise it must be that Satan himself is interacting with our flesh. Satan hates Christ in a way that he doesn’t hate Mohammed, or Luther, or Deepak Chopra. Christ is a true threat, so Satan rages. And the world and flesh draw from this rage and fear.

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Yes, that is it: “the WORLD and FLESH draw from this rage and fear” [of Satan] and act as his minions when they continue the attack against Christ’s Church. May we finally, Deo volente, wake up to this reality! For Our Lord has told us: “He that is not with me, is against me” – (Matthew 12:30).  

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44 Responses to Whence Comes the Special Resistance to Christ?

  1. In the full article, Joseph Sobran is quoted as saying, “Sometimes I think the anti-Christian forces take Christ more seriously than most nominal Christians do…” Perhaps one example of this is the movement to have the cross removed from the flags of certain European countries, like Greece or Switzerland http://goo.gl/fy2cwx

    I wonder what will happen when these “forces” discover that the twelve stars on the flag of the European Union refer to the twelve stars in Our Lady’s crown http://goo.gl/NO7ZpZ

    That flag was adopted in 1955, on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

  2. toad says:

    It is unlikely that any “normal” person will get to read this post. But, if by some odd chance they did – their first reaction is liable to be: “Poor fellow – off his head. Raving about Satan, and filthy liars, and God knows what all, ‘Modernist and heretical and masonic liars free under Jorge Bergoglio.’ Paranoid gibberings of a lunatic. “

    Now, the “normal” person may be wrong and “Vox,” may be right. However, uch frothing, intemperate language is counter-productive. And I suggest there is an even grater visceral hatred for Islam these days. Possibly justified. I don’t know.

    “The Buddhists don’t seem to be subject to it, nor do the Muslims even despite all the recent terrorism.”.
    I totally disagree about the Muslims. There is vast hatred for them. Growing by the day. Far more than for Christianity. In my opinion. And everyone likes Buddhists, anyway. Always have.

  3. GC says:

    I read this startling post from Canadian ‘knight for truth’, Vox Cantoris.

    Startling indeed, kathleen!😯

  4. GC says:

    Toad
    And everyone likes Buddhists, anyway. Always have.

    I thought our Buddhist friends of South Vietnam were complaining of persecution for quite some time, Toad. A few self-crispy-roasted monks along the five-foot way?

    One could also always ask minority non-Buddhists in Sri Lanka and Burma, for instance, for their honest views on their Buddhist compatriots.

    I think toads must live very sheltered lives.

    Actually, I think the point that so many of those who seek and gain power in the world resist Christ is extremely well made. For instance, if you want a case of resistance towards Catholicism without there being the excuse that there were armies of foreigners trying to take over the country, you could well look at the history of Buddhist/Confucian Korea. Lots of Catholics there now, of course. After there were many hundreds (thousands?) of martyrs, but. Same as in Buddhist/Confucian Vietnam.

  5. kathleen says:

    @ Robert

    Some very good observations, Robert! And Joseph Sobran’s insights really do get to the heart of the whys and wherefores of this “special resistance to Christ” of the rest of the world.

    There are some good comments under Msgr. Charles Pope’s article on his blog that discuss this matter too. Like this one with the pertinent quote from the Book of Wisdom:

    I’ve wondered about this irrationality of the opponents of Christ and His Church, and have seen it among some of my relatives- God bless them. Without exception, they adhere zealously to some brand of socialist politics and are also greatly misinformed about history.

    A year or so ago I found insight into the opponents of the Church in Wisdom ch. 2: “For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves: ‘short and sorrowful is our life, and there is no remedy when a life comes to it’s end…Come, therefore, let us enjoy the good things that exist as in our youth…Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions, he reproaches us…Let us test him with insult and torture…’ “

    Re the movement to have the cross removed from the Greek flag; on CP&S we also made a post on this attack from the EU secularists two and a half years ago:
    https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/new-flash-eu-wants-to-abolish-cross-from-greek-flag/

    Satan will never cease in his ‘wickedness and snares’ to grab souls from Christ. We must be constantly vigilant.

  6. kathleen says:

    Toad @ 16:48

    It is unlikely that any “normal” person will get to read this post. But, if by some odd chance they did – their first reaction is liable to be: “Poor fellow – off his head.

    Well Toad, relativist that you are, surely it is a matter of opinion as to who is “off his head”, no? You then go on to say as much yourself.
    One day we shall see who “laughs last” and all that…

    Re the peaceful Buddhists… our GC beat me to it!😉 Seems like only Toad does not read the newspapers he used to write for!

  7. ginnyfree says:

    From the Sad But True Dept.: some people’s tragedy is some one’s opportunity. It is a type of persona I consider predatory: the Opportunistic Jerk of the Year and yes, there is an actual award given annually for such bad taste and outrageous behaviors. This guy’s blog spot is probably going to be the big winner this year, you can bet on that. Pray for his/them. They are not well. God bless. Ginnyfree

  8. kathleen says:

    Dear Ginny, I’m not quite sure who you are raging at… you don’t tell us.
    Me? Could be. Msgr. Charles Pope? No, surely not. Or perhaps it is Vox Cantoris (real name, David Domet, if I remember correctly)?

    Yes, ‘Vox’ most certainly has a “hard-hitting” way of saying things, and I too found the language used in his disgust at the ‘Vatican Radio’ article “startling” (as I admit in the article) and, probably for some, even somewhat “intemperate” too… But what about the message he wants to get across, i.e. the weak defence of Christ as Sovereign Lord from many within the Church Herself, and the furious, vicious and inordinate hatred for Christ and His Church from those without?

    Very many of us are becoming increasingly frustrated, not to mention, distressed and very anxious, at the cowardly betrayal of many liberals (perhaps better called ‘modernists’) in the Church hierarchy who appear to be enjoying a newfound boost of recognition under Pope Francis. Can any true Catholic deny this? Their push for such an un-Catholic agenda can only come from evil groups of enemies of Christ who have infiltrated the Church.
    This, in a nutshell, is what Vox Cantoris is reporting in most of the articles on his blog.

    You may remember how Vox clashed swords months ago with the ‘gay’-friendly liberal, Fr Thomas Rosica (Vatican spokesman), who threatened Vox with a lawsuit for showing up his (Rosica’s) false teaching? The enormous response in defence of Vox from the Catholic blogosphere was quite overwhelming, with support even coming from such holy clerics as Archbishop Athanasius Schneider! Rosica sheepishly backed down, but continues in his treacherous mindset.

    The Pope is Christ’s Vicar on Earth. We have a duty to pray for him that he be a worthy representative of St Peter. But we also have a duty to point out errors and mistakes in the preaching of the doctrines and traditions contained in the Deposit of Faith entrusted to Christ’s Church, and that the Pope and Bishops should uphold at all times.
    The Pope should be the first to correct and even discipline those in the Church who do not preach the unadulterated Truth.
    He does not do so.

  9. Robert says:

    Beyond and above this transient world and age is Eternity. In Eternity are two Kingdoms Heaven and Hell. Everything reduces to what Eve was told of the knowledge of good and evil. To this knowledge is added free will by which we understand that Heaven or Hell is our own choice.
    Good and Evil are irreconcilable and a state of War exists between them!
    It is in the Passion of Christ that we see the hatred and rejection of Heaven, Truth and the Good. It is in the Passion and in the Cross that this battle between good and evil continues. The Church recreates the Life of Christ and hence the Fathers realised that the Church itself would live through the Passion.
    Christ the Sinless One requires that His mystical Body rejects Sin. One thing the poor sinner another accepting Sin. Muddy and clean water cannot pass through the same pipe! Christ will purge His Church (as he has done in the Past) the opinion is that this is what the “in the End” means for the Triumph Of The Immaculate Heart Of Mary (Fatima).

  10. toad says:

    It’s apparent that this blog at least, is becoming more shrill and paranoid by the day.
    There are two obvious reasons:
    1: Pope Francis
    2: Islamic terrorism.
    GC was quite right to chide me re: Buddhists. What I know about them could be written on Michael Voris’s forehead. I had a vague idea they were peaceful souls in nice saffron robes, and everyone liked them. Wrong, Toad!. That’ll learn me.

    Cracked record Toad again; The vast majority of secular Westerners do not hate the Church, however much ravers like Vox try to pretend this is the case. They are merely indifferent to it – tolerate it as long as it keeps well out of their lives. It has lost its power to frighten its followers into submission with tales of eternal damnation for sins like missing mass on Sundays or eating bacon sandwiches on Fridays…
    That’s it, in my opinion, though we may remember Voris getting that response from Irish people on the eve of the notorious Gay marriage vote.)

  11. Tom Fisher says:

    The modernist and heretical and masonic liars free under Jorge Bergoglio to run amok in the Church and to lie to the world have done it again. “It is through education that horrors can be overcome.” No, you filthy liar, it is through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    It’s an odd fact about heretics; they are never ever, ever, sincerely mistaken. They are always liars (with no discernible motivation).

  12. Michael says:

    Here’s an article that, whilst not exactly addressing the same content as the two articles above, is certainly in the same ‘ball-park’:

    http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2015/11/has-christianity-become-a-cowards-religion.html

  13. Michael says:

    It’s an odd fact about heretics; they are never ever, ever, sincerely mistaken. They are always liars (with no discernible motivation).

    Interesting Tom, particularly as it what you say as sweeping a generalisation as what you deem to be the case regarding the assessment of heretics’ motivations (or lack thereof). Is it really the case that when heretics are discussed, they are always assumed to be liars?

    Anyway, given the context here, I presume the author of the Vox Cantoris blog, referring to a group of people within the Church who have sought to undermine her teachings for many years now, is talking about the fact that they are (and have been) more than willing to bend the truth in order to achieve their goals*, rather than their motivation for holding heretical ideas in the first place.

    *Witness Cardinal Kasper’s remarkable ability to present what he is trying to do in highly different ways from one moment to the next, depending on the audience or the climate within the Church, and to outright deny things he has clearly said previously, because he’s suddenly realised it looks bad, for example.

  14. Tom Fisher says:

    Interesting Tom, particularly as it what you say as sweeping a generalisation as what you deem to be the case regarding the assessment of heretics’ motivations (or lack thereof).

    That rather incredible sentence, whether grammatical or not, is to be admired for its resolute refusal to convey any discernible meaning.

    A liar is someone who deliberately puts forward a falsehood. No heretic who believes what they assert, be they Gnostic, or be they Manichean, or be they Modernist, is a liar. — Though they may be wrong. There is a venerable tradition, stretching all the way from minor figures like Iranaeus through to luminaries such as Michael Voris, of referring to heretics as ‘liars’ and ‘deceivers’. I’m just suggesting that it is a rhetorically effective, but dishonest, way for people to denounce their opponents.

    By way of example: The modernist and heretical and masonic liars free under Jorge Bergoglio to run amok in the Church and to lie to the world have done it again. “It is through education that horrors can be overcome.” No, you filthy liar, it is through Our Lord Jesus Christ

  15. ginnyfree says:

    So, you admit it Toad – you watch Church Militant!!! How long before you’re a Premium Member?

  16. ginnyfree says:

    Kathleen, I’m ready to answer your question about who I’m “raging” at. #1 I’m not rageful, not in the least. The Peace of Christ resides in me. #2 I obviously don’t see the article the way you do, as we are two different people with different opinions. #3, to claim I’m thrashing anyone other than the person responsible for the article is putting words in my mouth that aren’t there. #4 My distress is over the tragedy of the deaths and permanent outcomes for many who are innocent of any wrongdoing, especially what the author of said article is trying to lay at their now dead feet: Modernism and masonic connections. They were all out for a night of fun and entertainment in a very usual Parisian way: drinking, dancing, listening to music and watching a live performance in one locale. They were murdered in cold blood by people who choose to use religion as the fuel for their fire. The person who wrote the blog spot you draw our attention to, used this tragedy to bash the Pope and blame others for what happened. His article is hateful and inciteful of hatred and blame. He fails to see the sin in his scorching words. To encourage such is to feed the negativity that surrounds all of us who are Christians struggling to accept active persecution that is spreading its bloodletting. It is our first priority to stay in the Peace of Christ, not to use whatever happens as a platform to blast the Pope or anyone else for that matter. The Pope had nothing to do with what happened in Paris. Nor did any who may have Modernist problems, etc. It is sad that others will allow themselves to be emotionally manipulated by such opportunistic “journalism,” into feeding into negativity and hatred of others. I remind you Kathleen that the real reason those few men and women did what they did is because they allowed hatred to enter their hearts and it grew and festered until it became a compulsion they needed to act on. And they acted upon it dramatically and we see the outcome. But how many harbor hatred in their hearts? Hatred, pure and simple. Don’t feed your own, no matter how “justified” you see your hatreds of others as being. Hate what God hates: sin and the devil, the world and the lure of the flesh, not the people in it. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  17. ginnyfree says:

    Another thing has occurred to me since posting. It is a phenomena that has occurred in the past and probably will again today: in my words seen above will be read an association that is purely imaginary on the part of some here, namely that I will automatically be considered one of several groups of persons and/or somehow in favor of their problems: the Masonic Temple and the Masons, the Modernists, and the Pope, (as if alignment with the Holy Father and loyalty to him and his Office is a bad thing,) and all the other heretical liars mentioned in the article. Because I didn’t agree with the article and dared to criticize it, I will be considered against some things invoked in said article, namely the Kingship of Christ, and His sovereignty as well as His laws and His Church, etc. all of which are distortions as well. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  18. mmvc says:

    “Don’t feed your own, no matter how “justified” you see your hatreds of others as being. Hate what God hates: sin and the devil, the world and the lure of the flesh, not the people in it.”

    I do hope you meant the above in a rhetorical sense, Ginny. As one who is blessed to count Kathleen among my dearest friends, I can vouch for the fact that she hasn’t got a nasty bone in her body, never mind ‘hatred’ for anyone and that she takes the precept to ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ more seriously than most.

    God bless. Maryla.

  19. Michael says:

    That rather incredible sentence, whether grammatical or not, is to be admired for its resolute refusal to convey any discernible meaning.

    Ha! Charming. Sorry, it was written in a bit of a rush, but might I suggest that if you remove the ‘it’ from between ‘as’ and ‘what’, and add an ‘is’ between ‘say’ and ‘as’ then it might make some sense. The intended meaning of that sentence (which I struggle to see as being quite as difficult to decode as you suggest, but then I’m biased!) was that your comment about heretics ‘always’ being labelled as liars, is as sweeping a generalisation as if one were to label all heretics as liars.

    There is a venerable tradition, stretching all the way from minor figures like Iranaeus through to luminaries such as Michael Voris, of referring to heretics as ‘liars’ and ‘deceivers’. I’m just suggesting that it is a rhetorically effective, but dishonest, way for people to denounce their opponents.

    I’m sure there is such a tradition, though, in lieu of reading through two millennia of Christian apologetics I’ll just have to take your word for it regarding how extensive or venerable it is. My second point though, was that the labelling of certain heretics as liars by Vox Cantoris is not a case of saying they are liars because they’re heretics, but that they are liars and heretics. This interpretation, it seems to me, aligns more with the way the sentence is structured:

    the modernist and heretical masonic liars‘ (there is no implication here that they are liars because they are heretics – the two accusative terms are listed alongside one another, and in a way that, contrary to suggesting that one term implies the other, assumes that they are separate categories).

    and also with the context – we know what group of people he is talking about, that they hold heretical ideas, and they have often used deceitful means to advance those ideas within the Church. This, one would assume, must be the plain sense of what VC is trying to say.

  20. Michael says:

    Ginny @ 12:19, 12:32:

    The Pope had nothing to do with what happened in Paris. Nor did any who may have Modernist problems, etc.

    I don’t think anyone was saying he/they did…

    Because I didn’t agree with the article and dared to criticize it, I will be considered against some things invoked in said article, namely the Kingship of Christ, and His sovereignty as well as His laws and His Church, etc. all of which are distortions as well.

    I think you might be jumping the gun a bit Ginny. As far as I can see, you’ve never been accused of being aligned with any particular group, or being against the Kingship of Christ, or anything like that at all on this blog, despite ‘daring’ to criticise posts in the past as well. What grounds do you have to assume that people here will react in such a way when it hasn’t happened before?

    Also, I second what mmvc writes above.

  21. ginnyfree says:

    Nice link Michael. I’m now getting their email. Thanks. They seem kindred spirits. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  22. kathleen says:

    Ginny @ 12:19 & 12:32

    Oh dear, Ginny, what a mish-mash and potpourri of unrelated subjects your latest outburst was, full of totally conflicting views* that will surely have everyone scratching their heads in confusion. The only clear conclusion you make is that I am a naughty girl, full of hate, and I should take a page or two from your good book on how to go about things.
    Er, no thank you. I prefer to denounce attacks on Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Catholic Church, from whomsoever they might come… And however much I am scolded and abused as a result! Sorry.

    * You cannot be in favour of the clerics preaching Modernism and un-Catholic ideas, and at the same time hold to the Kingship of Christ above all worldly ideas; they are in total opposition to each other. Have you not noticed this?

    Anyway, avoiding reducing this to a bickering about “splinters” and “beams” in eyes, I seriously wonder if you have:
    (a) even bothered to read and understand the post and its links – the main idea, as the title of the post suggests, being the article written by Msgr. Charles Pope asking “whence comes the special resistance” to Christ? (A “resistance” that comes from both non-Catholics, and from those within the Church who do not defend Christ’s teachings.)
    And (b) where on earth do you get the idea that anyone was saying that the victims of the barbaric terrorist attack in Paris were not totally innocent of any wrongdoing? It is as clear as can be that they were the victims of bitter Islamic hatred for the West as we have consistently reported. In fact I would even say that it is very cruel of you to infer that the Paris atrocity was used by us as a springboard for an attack on anyone but the perpetrators themselves.
    (It is only if one wants to go deeper into the problematic situation in the West, and Europe in particular, that one can ask why we are now so weak and vulnerable to Islamic attacks on our way of life.)

    One last time: what Vox Cantoris ‘hard-hitting’ words were referring to at the start of the post was the Vatican Radio’s secular-sounding waffle in their conclusion that tragedies like the recent one in Paris could be overcome by educating people better!! How soppy is that? The terrorists are very well-educated (as they themselves would state)… educated via Mohammedan teachings written in the Koran! Vox denounces the way VR dilute (or ignore) the Truth of the Kingship of Christ as our Lord and Saviour, as being the only way to overcome evil.
    Get it now?
    ________

    P.S. Thank you dear Maryla (mmvc) for your loyalty and love. Muaw! And of course, Michael too.😉

  23. Robert says:

    Fatima was in 1917 in a Portugal that was Secular. That had separated Church and State and was attacking the Church. Fatima is so much more than Prophectic messages!! WW I and WW II and today very clearly the Super powers are committing to War!
    We are in the times of a massive Apostacy from the Faith in the so called Christian West. I do not assume that everybody in the West has been baptised (in France one can go for 100 miles without meeting a baptised person – Fr Malachy Martin). Baptism cleanses from Original Sin. This measn souls in the West have been left in Original Sin.
    Ginny stop looking at this world through the eyes of this world! Start looking through the eyes of Faith. Not Baptised therefor under Original Sin!
    Man created first later Woman from Man’s flesh. They are one flesh that is Christian marriage ONE FLESH Man and woman.
    Apostacy means finding the world will be against the Faith. It is not because we are paranoia it is because Our Lord told Us that we would be treated as he was treated.
    Masonry especially has this naturalism/modernism etc.. which is a world without a Creator a Natural world (understand what Evolution means!!). To be a Free Mason is to be automatically excommunicated!! That means out of the church!
    The Resistance to Christ in this Age is because this Age has Apostacised. Now we well know that non Christian liberal ideas are oozing out of the Curia. But if an Angel of Light (be he Pope , Prelate, Priest) comes with a doctrine contrary to Christ! You cannot go that path!
    Love the poor sinner, pray for the poor sinner BUT never accept SIN.

  24. Tom Fisher says:

    Ha! Charming. Sorry, it was written in a bit of a rush

    I know, I should have included a smile icon or something, I was just teasing. It looks meaner than intended in cold print

  25. Tom Fisher says:

    Masonry especially has this naturalism/modernism etc.. which is a world without a Creator a Natural world (understand what Evolution means!!).

    Robert, Roger, (pick one!)🙂 — Masonry is certainly anti-Catholic, but i don’t think it is inherently materialistic at all? Really. I may well be wrong. I find the Masons so ridiculous that I’ve never worked up the energy to study them.

  26. toad says:

    “Man created first later Woman from Man’s flesh. “.
    Roger actually believes that. And, as far as we know – is walking around "unsupervised."

    “So, you admit it Toad – you watch Church Militant!!!”
    I do indeed, Gin, And enjoy it hugely. As I do with old Monty Python videos.When will I become a
    “Premium Member”? Not soon. Don’t want to taint our relationship with lucre.

    My thanks again to GC and Kathleen for the “heads up” regarding Buddhists. It is a comfort to be reliably informed that they are just as horrible as the rest of us.

  27. toad says:

    ….the furious, vicious and inordinate hatred for Christ and His Church from those without?”

    GC suggests I have lived a sheltered life. I won’t argue. But I’d like to know where all this hatred is. I’ve never personally experienced it in all my 74 years. Even in the loony media.
    There’s the Pamplona “artist,” and Isis, of course, who don’t like anyone. But who else? I’d like to know. No doubt I will be told.

  28. Robert says:

    Toad the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception requires that Woman was created from Adams’s flesh! Our Lord and Our Lady have to be directly of Adam’s lineage IN their Bodies and actually of Adams Flesh before the Fall. The proof is the order Adam to Eve , Mary to Jesus the logical Order and road required the Sinless virgin (that is Adam’s flesh before the Fall)
    The Immaculate Conception crushes Satan’s head and its the head that houses the brain!
    Obviously if you don’t believe in myths you will not find the furious, vicious and inordinate hatred for Christ and His Church from those without His remnant.

  29. toad says:

    “Our Lord and Our Lady have to be directly of Adam’s lineage “
    sn’t everybody?

  30. Michael says:

    I know, I should have included a smile icon or something, I was just teasing. It looks meaner than intended in cold print

    Yes, I thought/hoped as much. Still, I’m not sure it was quite as impenetrable a sentence as you’d suggested (insert smile icon or something here).

    I find the Masons so ridiculous that I’ve never worked up the energy to study them.

    I find them a little bit silly as well, but only from hearsay and common caricatures – I don’t actually know that much about what they really do either, apart from the fact that they once had a high degree of influence and for all I know may still do now. The question is though, if one has never worked up the energy to actually study them, how can one then be so convinced that they are not worth studying/taking seriously?

  31. ginnyfree says:

    Toad you make me laugh. Such a loving soul you are……………….I’m on the growing list of bad guys n gals around here. Who’d have thunk we be in the same class. CM is a marvelous place. I feel recharged each time I visit. Let’s me know there are other like minded souls to me in the world. You really should go Premium so you can watch Houses Built on Sand and FBI. Simon’s Case Files is fabulous. It would be money well spent. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  32. toad says:

    Trouble is, Ginster – I don’t like “money well spent.”
    In that respect I resemble George Raft, who when the bankruptcy judge asked him were all his money had gone, said. “Well, Judge – I gambled a lot of it, spent a good deal on drink and women – and frittered the rest away.”

  33. ginnyfree says:

    So Toad, there are no spare pennies tucked somewhere about your lily pad? All that alimony and whiskey to make the paying of said alimony easier and/or less painful followed by trips to the casino in hopes of landing the big wad so as to pay some back alimony, and on and on and on. Who said it wasn’t fun? Ignore that one……..Only ten bucks a month. My last effort on behalf of recruitment for the Premium Membership at Church Militant. It really is a bargain. They are my kinda faithful. You’d be a better Toad for it. Keep an open mind. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  34. ginnyfree says:

    You bad Toad. LOL. Never let the obvious escape you again. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  35. toad says:

    Gin, I’ve never paid a cent of alimony in my life. Nearly all of my wives said that – if necessary – they’d gladly pay to be rid of me.
    Voris would only fritter away my contribution on getting his hair done.

    My mind is so “open,” it’s vacuous.

  36. kathleen says:

    GC @ 11:27

    Thanks for that very interesting link on current day Freemasonry.

    Having had a very close friend whose whole family were hounded and attacked for years after her father resigned from a very senior position in the Freemason sect to become a Catholic (their greatest declared ‘enemy’!) I believe one should not underestimate the Mason’s powerful influence in the Western world. They have infiltrated governments, law and order forces, and even the Church, in spite of many great Popes declaring Freemasonry to be anathema, and that noone can claim to be a Catholic and a Freemason at the same time.

    In his encyclical Humanum Genus Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) states:

    “It is now publicly and overtly that they undertake to ruin the Holy Church, so as to succeed, if it is possible, in the complete dispossession of Christian nations of all the gifts they owe to Our Saviour Jesus Christ.
    As a result, in the space of a century and a half, the sect of the Freemasons has made incredible progress. Making use at the same time of audacity and cunning, Masonry has invaded all the ranks of social hierarchy, and in the modern States it has begun to seize a power which is almost equivalent to Sovereignty. […]
    This peril was denounced for the first time by Pope Clement XII in 1738, and the Constitution promulgated by that Pope was renewed and confirmed by Benedict XIV; Pius VII followed in the footsteps of those Pontiffs, and Pope Leo XII including in his Apostolical Constitution ‘Quo Graviora’ all the deeds and decrees of the preceding Popes on that subject, ratified and confirmed them for ever. Popes Pius VIII, Gregory XVI and on several occasions Pope Pius IX spoke in the same manner.”

    In fact it is the Mason’s bitter resentment towards the Catholic Church, that is the most sinister of all. The Catholic Church, the One True Church founded by the Son of God, and Her given authoritative claim that no one may be saved except through Christ’s Church, flies straight in the face of the Masons’ ideas of universalism.

    Perhaps they are in decline these days, as the author says, but they still appear to have a very large number of members in elite forces. It is still true today that they “fight so tenaciously to protect the identity of their members”, and one can only surmise that the reasons for doing so are anything but legitimate!

  37. ginnyfree says:

    If anyone wants a pretty good summary of them, either watch the FBI report on them at Church Militant, which provides a thorough overview of them from their origins to their current activities and members or read Salza’s two books on the same, Masonry Unmasked & Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons. But by far for me personally the most valued book I have on them is the one by Msgr. G. Dillon, Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked. If you watch the one at CM, towards the end you will get a clear understanding of exactly why Ms. Clinton is the way she is and who it is who sponsored her hubby’s career. She still allows them to influence her politics and positions. Yeah. Very informative and worth your time and troubles. God bless. Ginnyfree.

  38. ginnyfree says:

    Don’t be mean Toad.

  39. ginnyfree says:

    P.S. I thought only blondes like me can have vacuous minds? Huh?

  40. Michael says:

    Many thanks for the link GC (and to others for info on the Freemasons). One thing I find difficult to ascertain is just how much influence they still have, or whether they are in decline or not – given the very nature of the society, it would be extremely difficult to know how many members they had in positions of influence, or how many institutions they were present in. After all, I’m sure back in the Victorian Era people were quite willing to scoff at them/write them off as an eccentric peripheral group, and we now know they were very influential indeed.

    Another thing I am unsure is what the fundamental goals of the society are. I know that they are, and have been from the beginning, deeply anti-Catholic; that they are rooted in an Enlightenment (and often, in keeping with this, Deist) view of the world; and that they are highly protective of both their members and the secrets of the society (whatever they may be). But do they seek to subvert traditional Christian morality (e.g.; the view of the family as basic social unit) like cultural Marxism does? If so, then it wouldn’t be a surprise if they were in decline, as much of that work has already been done. Do they exist just for the sake of the advancement of its members? I don’t know.

  41. Michael says:

    P.S. For instance, Ginny (at 14:05) suggests that the Masons have had a great deal of influence over the views and/or careers of both Clintons. One could also make the case that their views have been shaped by cultural Marxism, and that they got ahead in the politics game because a.) those views have shaped our culture now to a great extent, and b.) that they had a lot of money behind them anyway.

    It could be that Freemasonry and Marxism have joined hands in the wider attempt to subvert Western culture; or it could be that Freemasonry has nothing to do with it; or it could be that Marxism has nothing to do with it. The problem is that Freemasonry is a secret society, whose influence is hard to gauge, and cultural Marxism is an all-pervasive force within our culture that is hard to pin down precisely in any one case study. But it would be interesting to know if the two had anything to do with one another.

  42. Robert says:

    The lineage from Adam yes but this lineage has two stems! That of after the Fall and that of before the Fall. The significance is Original Sin which is inherited after the Fall.
    Masonry works at different levels BUT wake up the Devil is God’s Ape (the Ape shouldn’t be lost on Christians because of Evolution that has the Ape as its parent!).
    The Enlightenment followed the spiritual earthquake known as the Reformation. Consider that Masonry and the Enlightenment went hand in hand in the West. The key to this is to understand that literacy and education was essential to the spread of naturalism. Naturalism is the essential view of a material only world. The Grand Architect is a Maker and NOT a Creator!
    A Maker uses what already exists a Creator creates from nothing. The Apostles Creed “Creator”.
    I go back to saying we must see through the eyes of the Faith not the eyes of the world.
    But since 1960’s what has happened to the Papacy? The Papacy has become almost like a Life Presidency in the eyes of the world.
    We have this madness of alleged separation between Church and State. In other words a Life of hypocrisy! pious in Church BUT the STATE? The law of Thelema is “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will.” Aleister Crowley.
    If you want to understand special resistance to Christ point out Creation! Marriage for Life between Man and Woman! No to Birth Control! No to mass murder Abortion!
    Then listen for the howls of Hell!

  43. ginnyfree says:

    Robert, can you explain what you mean by this: “The lineage from Adam yes but this lineage has two stems! That of after the Fall and that of before the Fall.”
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but do you believe there were children born to Adam and Eve BEFORE “the Fall,” and then others born AFTER “the Fall?” Is that what you mean? God bless. Ginnyfree.

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