Vatican to ‘Dialogue’ with Freemasonry

By Steve Skojec from OnePeterFive:

Some days, I just want to sit and stare off into space. Maybe imagine myself on a tropical beach somewhere, far from the Internet. Far from stories like this one, about a letter written by Gianfranco Cardinal Ravasi, President of the Pontifical Council for Culture…to “Brother Masons”:

IL SOLE 24ORE
Sunday, February 14, 2016
[Excerpts]

“…These various declarations on the incompatibility of the two memberships in the Church or in Freemasonry, do not impede, however, dialogue, as is explicitly stated in the German Bishops’ document that had already listed the specific areas of discussion, such as the communitarian dimension, works of charity, the fight against materialism, human dignity and knowledge of each other.

“Further, we need to rise above that stance from certain Catholic integralist spheres, which – in order to hit out at some exponents even in the Church’s hierarchy who displease them – have recourse to accusing them apodictically of being members of Freemasonry. In conclusion, as the German Bishops wrote, we need to go beyond reciprocal “hostility, insults and prejudices” since “in comparison to past centuries the tone and way of manifesting [our]differences has improved and changed” even if they [the differences]still remain in a clearly defined way.”

[Translation: Contributor Francesca Romana | Source: Il Timone]

Now, I know that many of you are well-versed on the longstanding conflict between Freemasonry and the Church. It’s not a topic I enjoy touching on too frequently, because good heavens does it lead to all kinds of weird commentary.

But Freemasonry is a real secret society. It is also true that Freemasonry has long been condemned by the Church as a sworn enemy of Catholicism. We explored this topic in some depth in our three-part series, Revolution in Tiara and Cope

The Church forbids Catholics from being Freemasons, full stop. It has done so for centuries. Here’s what Pope Leo XIII wrote about Freemasonry in his 1884 encyclical on the topic, Humanum Genus:

At so urgent a crisis, when so fierce and so pressing an onslaught is made upon the Christian name, it is Our office to point out the danger, to mark who are the adversaries, and to the best of Our power to make head against their plans and devices, that those may not perish whose salvation is committed to Us, and that the kingdom of Jesus Christ entrusted to Our charge may not stand and remain whole, but may be enlarged by an ever-increasing growth throughout the world.

The Roman Pontiffs Our predecessors, in their incessant watchfulness over the safety of the Christian people, were prompt in detecting the presence and the purpose of this capital enemy immediately it sprang into the light instead of hiding as a dark conspiracy; and, moreover, they took occasion with true foresight to give, as it were on their guard, and not allow themselves to be caught by the devices and snares laid out to deceive them.

The first warning of the danger was given by Clement XII in the year 1738,[3] and his constitution was confirmed and renewed by Benedict XIV.[4] Pius VII followed the same path;[5] and Leo XII, by his apostolic constitution, Quo Graviora,[6] put together the acts and decrees of former Pontiffs on this subject, and ratified and confirmed them forever. In the same sense spoke Pius VIII,[7] Gregory XVI,[8] and, many times over, Pius IX.[9]

For as soon as the constitution and the spirit of the masonic sect were clearly discovered by manifest signs of its actions, by the investigation of its causes, by publication of its laws, and of its rites and commentaries, with the addition often of the personal testimony of those who were in the secret, this apostolic see denounced the sect of the Freemasons, and publicly declared its constitution, as contrary to law and right, to be pernicious no less to Christendom than to the State; and it forbade any one to enter the society, under the penalties which the Church is wont to inflict upon exceptionally guilty persons.

With me so far? Pope Leo called the rise of Freemasonry an “urgent crisis”, called Freemasonry a “dark conspiracy”, listed six popes who had addressed it, not including himself. He made clear that his pontificate denounced Freemasonry in no uncertain terms, and levied heavy penalties against those members of the faithful who would enter into it.

It’s a long encyclical, and I’m only quoting highights, but here is one that can’t go without mention:

[T]heir ultimate purpose forces itself into view — namely, the utter overthrow of that whole religious and political order of the world which the Christian teaching has produced, and the substitution of a new state of things in accordance with their ideas, of which the foundations and laws shall be drawn from mere naturalism.

An analysis of the political aims of Freemasonry follows, but that’s not my purpose here. Suffice to say, this encyclical is packed with ideas that will prick the American conscience, especially in an election year. But let me give you one last blast from good Pope Leo:

Knowing these things, both princes and people would act with political wisdom, and according to the needs of general safety, if, instead of joining with Freemasons to destroy the Church, they joined with the Church in repelling their attacks.

Whatever the future may be, in this grave and widespread evil it is Our duty, venerable brethren, to endeavor to find a remedy. And because We know that Our best and firmest hope of a remedy is in the power of that divine religion which the Freemasons hate in proportion to their fear of it, We think it to be of chief importance to call that most saving power to Our aid against the common enemy. Therefore, whatsoever the Roman Pontiffs Our predecessors have decreed for the purpose of opposing the undertakings and endeavors of the masonic sect, and whatsoever they have enacted to enter or withdraw men from societies of this kind, We ratify and confirm it all by our apostolic authority: and trusting greatly to the good will of Christians, We pray and beseech each one, for the sake of his eternal salvation, to be most conscientiously careful not in the least to depart from what the apostolic see has commanded in this matter.

We pray and beseech you, venerable brethren, to join your efforts with Ours, and earnestly to strive for the extirpation of this foul plague, which is creeping through the veins of the body politic. You have to defend the glory of God and the salvation of your neighbor; and with the object of your strife before you, neither courage nor strength will be wanting.

In case you’re wondering, yes, the rules against Catholics having anything to do with Freemasonry are still in force, if rarely mentioned.

So. You just read a summation of authoritative, Magisterial thought on this issue – thought compiled from the writings of seven popes.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m pretty sure the the exhortation for Catholics to earnestly “strive for the extirpation of this foul plague” is not just fancy 19th-century papal talk for dialogue.

 

The comments on this post over at OnePeterFive are interesting too

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12 Responses to Vatican to ‘Dialogue’ with Freemasonry

  1. toadspittle says:

    I was at a Mason’s dinner once. (as a guest) When the main course was served, the man next to me said, “Good grief. Chicken again. If it wasn’t for us Masons, the country would be wading knee deep through chickens.” There. That’s what it’s really all about.


    Off topic a bit, but Toad works tirelessly on behalf of CP&S. Watch this and wait for Barron to reveal to the viewers that he’s talking about a Protestant heretic.

  2. kathleen says:

    One of those “interesting” comments by someone called ‘Christophe’, is this one:

    “Maybe the worst thing about Ravasi’s statement is that he denigrates faithful Catholics in order to curry favor with the Masons – calling them “integralists” given to “hostility, insults and prejudices.” Reminds me of Pope Francis pulling apart the hands of the altar boy who was praying — they have contempt for holiness.”

    It is a proven fact that Masons have managed to infiltrate into the Catholic Church, spreading their “contempt for holiness” among the unsuspecting masses who have not been well catechised, and thus minimising the majesty and divinity of God in their minds. We can see the tragic results of this sinister evil all too clearly today.

    It would be a great mistake to ignore the danger of this powerful enemy of Christ and His Holy Church.

  3. Robert says:

    Toad
    The BBC graph of population used for education purposes!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/ocr_gateway/understanding_environment/population_pollutionrev1.shtml

    “..Like all living things, humans exploit their surroundings for resources. Before the beginning of agriculture about 10,000 years ago, small groups of humans wandered across large areas, hunting and gathering just enough food to stay alive. Population numbers were kept low because of the difficulty of finding food. ..”
    Now your Cave man was clearly rotted in ONE place and had time and leisure didn’t they not just to paint but to observe and prepare paint/drawings etc..

  4. Robert says:

    Pope Pius XII appointed Father Luigi Villa to investigate Clerical Freemasonry

    Fr. Luigi Villa, Doctor of Theology, who passed away on November 18, 2012 at the age of 95, was appointed by Pope Pius XII to uncover Freemasonry in the Catholic Church.
    All they need to do is talk amongst themselves!

  5. toadspittle says:

    Why should I disagree with one word of that Roger? And I don’t. But you blandly cite the BBC information – you who believe the world is 7,000 years old. Or have you changed your opinion on that?
    “..Now your Cave man was clearly rooted in ONE place..”
    There is no evidence that all cave men stayed all their lives in one place.
    However, that’s totally unimportant. The crucial, indeed the only point is – that the person, who pained those incredible pictures 40,000 years ago, had stay in one place long enough to finish his (or her) paintings.- and (or she) also had to eat. Which was only obtained by hunting and gathering. There was nothing else, was there?. It would be several thousand more years before cave men could phone up for Chinese takeaways. We all agree on that.
    Who knows? Maybe the man hunted and gathered to feed the woman who was doing the sacred(?) paintings. Or maybe vice versa?

    Far more important to discuss the ludicrous Bogey Men Masons.
    In whom I do not personally believe. (Grammar OK, Robert John?)

  6. Robert says:

    My entry was in the wrong place!

    The point however is that you have repeated verbatim 40,000 years ago and these caves are in France? That’s I presume a 19th century dating? The Masonic Revolution (read Sir Walter Scott book on Napoleon) . Decimalisation was one of the fruits of that Revolution.
    The Grand Orient and Naturalism emerge from Masonry!

    I have pointed out elsewhere that the Faith is Revealed which is why it is called Faith.
    The Martyrology has the genealogy back to Adam and Eve.
    The Martyrology is behind the religious yearly cycle of the saints etc.. it existed in the Old Testament and has built up and added to within the New.
    Creation, Adam and Eve and the Fall. The timescale is in the genealogy here we have a clear line of ancestory from Adam and Eve to Our Lord and onwards to these days. This is Public Revelation and is the Faith.

    Free Masonry, Free thinkers, Naturalism. esoteric, Visible Darkness. All I have pointed out is that the graphs are consistent with the Martyrology and NOT the Free Thinkers.
    Naturalism (covers Dawkins genes, and that battle over whether consciousness is material or otherwise!) and here we will find in Naturalism the disciples of Evolution.

    Genesis is a book that starts outside of Creation and time that book is beyond the mind of Man.
    To the Free thinkers (and Portugal in 1917 was riddled with these ) I point at the Sun and Fatima! Dawkins just refuses to deal with it! He says the Sun can’t dance!

  7. toadspittle says:

    “I point at the Sun and Fatima! Dawkins just refuses to deal with it! He says the Sun can’t dance!”
    And I suspect a lot of CP&S readers would agree with Dawkins. They might say God made it look to the crowd at Fatima as if the Sun was dancing. Nowhere else on earth that day was any dancing Sun reported. Anyway, the Sun has no legs.
    And I get accused of being a “cracked record.” Oh, well. On with the dance.

  8. Robert says:

    Toad
    Your caves? I suggest you look at Edouard Lartet who was heavily influenced by Lamarck (Evolution) and Cuvier. The Dating of your Caves comes from the Masonic Enlightenment that fuelled the French Revolution. The title Aurignac is very relevant to the dating of your cave drawings!
    There is a direct link to Masonry and the anti Christian science of the enlightenment. The names of Lamarck, Cuvier (tie in with Darwin) The infamous X Club and of course the Darwinian Masonic Lodge.
    Here you will find Evolution, The dating of geology, the formation of the solar system from dust!
    Against this immediate background and contemporarily is La Salette and Lourdes.

  9. toadspittle says:

    “The title Aurignac is very relevant to the dating of your cave drawings!”
    Roger, you are looking down the wrong end of the telescope again. Nobody’s disputing that. At least, not me (Sorry, Robert John.)
    I can’t be bothered explaining, except you might as well claim that the term “Prehistoric,” is “Darwinian,” “Masonic” and culturally loaded. Same as “Neolithic.”. In fact, you probably do, yourself.
    “The Dating of your Caves comes from the Masonic Enlightenment that fuelled the French Revolution. “
    The Enlightenment “fuelled” a good deal of history. Not all of it welcome in retrospect – though most of it is, IMAO. But it is a fact.

  10. Tom Fisher says:

    The infamous X Club and of course the Darwinian Masonic Lodge.

    Please, tell us more about Bradford in the 70s

  11. Robert says:

    The Sun and Fatima this was also seen by Pius XII and at other times in other places. The Dance of the Sun. The miracle was announced in advance for 13 Oct 1917, the nature of that miracle wasn’t! The timing of Fatima concurs with a number of key factors not least Einstein and the Atom. Why October? Why 1917? Why did Heaven expressly choose Portugal in 1916/17? What is the significance of Fatima in relation to Sacred Heart? The Papacy and Infallibility? The Prison known as the Vatican? Human Science and a Miracle that is outside of Reason and Logic? World War I a product of the French Revolution and the principal Masonic Nations? A World War as a consequence of the persistent attack on the Church (the Mystical Body Of Christ) in the world (papal estates) “Religio depopulata.”.
    Moses Rod (and the significance of the snake to Pharoah). The Red Sea Crossing.
    I draw your attention to Christmas and the two celestrial events seen by a few but not be all. The Angelic host and the shepherds; The Magi’s star that lead them to Jerusalem. After Our Lords Resurrection he appeared to many in diverse places BUT was not seen by ALL in Israel.
    Science has no explaination for Fatima and no explaination for the Magi’s star. What is a star if not a sun?
    The growth of science without God and the murderous consequences of this science. The War against the womans womb and slaughter of the infants. The War against the sacraments and the death and destruction. By death especially spiritual death of the created souls. Mention is made of Latin and Satan, well Satan has managed to remove Latin from the whole sacrifice of the Mass hasn’t He?
    Latin off course was present at the Passion wasn’t it?
    From whence has this flood of death come from? The answer is the Enlightenment and Masonry. You see the Science but not the price and consequence. The wages of Sin (disobedience to God’s Laws) is death (spiritual before physical). Man will destroy himself (that’s true since he commits spiritual suicide!)
    But enough. Our Lord gave Israel a period to see hear and believe and they Crucified Him. So the Passion of the Mystical Body the Church follows the same path. If you knew of the 100 years of sifting you cannot complain if you followed the path of Sin over Virtue.
    Will there be a sign for this generation? Surely Fatima was the Great sign! The woman clothed with the Sun!
    Now this ‘Dialogue’ which implies thesis and antithesis with a compromised resolution. In other words a watering down and moving away from the Faith. That’s what ‘dialogue’ means.
    But the Faith is the Truth and is outside of Reason and Logic which is why the Word was made flesh public Revelation.
    Can Heaven and Hell ever through ‘dialogue’ resolve differences? That of course is absurb and so is what is being proposed here.

  12. Tom Fisher says:

    Now this ‘Dialogue’ which implies thesis and antithesis with a compromised resolution.

    Robert that does sound rather dialectical. Do you have any thoughts on Karl Marx?

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