ISIS Rejects Pope’s Interpretation of Their Own Religion

By Steve Skojec at OnePeterFive:

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ISIS in action. (Image Source)

In a move that should be shocking to precisely no one, the Islamic State has issued a critique of Pope Francis’ recent denial that the violence they perpetrate is justified by the Islamic religion:

In the most recent issue of Dabiq, the propaganda magazine of the Islamic State, ISIS criticizes Pope Francis for his naïveté in clinging to the conviction that Muslims want peace and that acts of Islamic terror are economically motivated.

“This is a divinely-warranted war between the Muslim nation and the nations of disbelief,” the authors state in an article titled “By the Sword.”

The Islamic State directly attacks Francis for claiming that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence,” saying that by doing this, “Francis continues to hide behind a deceptive veil of ‘good will,’ covering his actual intentions of pacifying the Muslim nation.”

Pope Francis “has struggled against reality” in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace, the article insists, before going on to urge all Muslims to take up the sword of jihad, the “greatest obligation” of a true Muslim.

Despite the obviously religious nature of their attacks, the article states, “many people in Crusader countries express shock and even disgust that Islamic State leadership ‘uses religion to justify violence.’”

“Indeed, waging jihad – spreading the rule of Allah by the sword – is an obligation found in the Quran, the word of our Lord,” it reads.

“The blood of the disbelievers is obligatory to spill by default. The command is clear. Kill the disbelievers, as Allah said, ‘Then kill the polytheists wherever you find them.’”

The Islamic State also reacted to Pope Francis’s description of recent acts of Islamic terror as “senseless violence,” insisting that there is nothing senseless about it.

“The gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality,” they declare, adding that their hatred for the Christian West is absolute and implacable.

The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah[tax for infidels]and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you.

Last year, I wrote about the Islamic State’s ambitions for the Vatican, and how the bureaucrats in Rome had better wake up:

In what is an ongoing frustration for many Catholics, the Vatican continues to insist on friendly relations with Islam. It started with Nostra Aetate #3 and Lumen Gentium #16neither of which are particularly compatible with what the saints previously said about Islam. Since the Second Vatican Council, this innovative understanding of a religion Catholic thinkers like Belloc have characterized as a “great heresy” continues to spiral. In Evangelii Gaudium #253, Pope Francis asserts that “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” More recently, there has been common prayer in the Vatican gardens (where the imam went off-script and used subversive, anti-Trinitarian language in Arabic).

Meanwhile various Islamic groups have been talking about conquering Rome.

[…]

It’s time for Catholics — and especially our leaders in Rome — to wake up. These militants intended to target Pope Benedict in 2010; some believe that Pope Francis may be an even bigger target today.

We are called to love our enemies. This is why the message in the video we posted earlier this week is so powerful. But we must also be honest enough to call our enemies enemies.

Catholics have sought the conversion of Muslims for fourteen centuries. But they have also fought them with arms. The reason Europe is not under Sharia law (yet) today is because of the valiant armies that marched under the banner of the Cross, who won critical battles against Islamic armies at Lepanto, at Malta, at Zenta, at Vienna, and more. The Spanish fought Islamic invasion in their own country for eight hundred years. Islam is a religion that spreads, assimilates, and consumes. If it is not resisted, it conquers. The very word “Islam” itself means “submission.”

When your house is broken into in the middle of the night by a man who has been publicly proclaiming that he’s going to come in and kill you and your family, it might not be in your best interest to attempt “dialogue” with him once he’s already inside. Still, if you feel that it’s important to talk him out of doing something stupid, your side of the conversation is going to be a lot more persuasive if you’re pointing a loaded gun.

I don’t know if Francis is aware, but there’s no charism of the papal office that makes a pope infallible when it comes to his interpretation of another religion. When it comes to a toss-up between listening to the people who are actual, Koran-carrying Muslims from the Middle East vs. a Modernist Jesuit in Rome who doesn’t even understand his own religious teachings, I’m going to go with those closer to the source.

Islam is supremacist ideology writ large: they will convert you, conquer (and subjugate) you, or kill you. Whatever it takes. But they will never tolerate you being anything other than a Muslim. We need to get that through our heads. They’re telling us out loud, in public. We just have to listen.

The comments on this article over at OnePeterFive are also well worth reading.

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22 Responses to ISIS Rejects Pope’s Interpretation of Their Own Religion

  1. Tom Fisher says:

    We find ourselves between the Scylla of absurd platitudes about ISIS having nothing to do with Islam and the Charybdis of simply accepting the central claim of ISIS, that they, uniquely, represent ‘authentic’ Islam.

    No one I know of has navigated these dangerous waters more successfully than Graeme Wood in his exceptional 2015 article What ISIS really wants Wood was able to speak – at length – with people who subscribe to the strain of Islam which underpins ISIS. His analysis leaves no room for the notion that it has nothing to do with real Islam However he does not endorse the equally dubious notion that ISIS is the true face of Islam

    I recommend it to anyone who wants a robust (even if year old) analysis, which does not pander to political correctness or simplistically regard Islam as monolithic.

    Quote:

    The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

    Link:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  2. Tom Fisher says:

    When it comes to a toss-up between listening to the people who are actual, Koran-carrying Muslims from the Middle East vs. a Modernist Jesuit in Rome who doesn’t even understand his own religious teachings, I’m going to go with those closer to the source.

    I appreciate the point the writer is making – and I do agree with some parts of this article – and I certainly agree that Pope Francis has not been (ahem) intellectually rigorous in the quote statements. But we must guard against the simplistic elision of Islam per se, and the ideology of ISIS. — And I don’t mean that as a PC platitude. A Shiite who venerates the shrine of a Muslim saint is not a true Muslim according to the extreme Sunni ideology of ISIS. Islam is demonstrably multi-faceted – and I think we cede ISIS far too much if we accept that their interpretation of Islam is “the real thing”

  3. ISIS believes that “Pope Francis ‘has struggled against reality’ in his efforts to portray Islam as a religion of peace.”

    This pope struggles against reality in practically every area.

  4. toadspittle says:

    “This pope struggles against reality in practically every area.”
    What should be done about it? Surely Bobbi-Jon’s friend has an idea or two?

  5. johnhenrycn says:

    If she wasn’t in poor health, Joni Mitchell would have sung her signature song at the protest.

  6. kathleen says:

    France’s socialist government is doing a great favour to Marine Le Pen’s National Front (FN) party with such unnecessary destruction of this prime symbol of Christianity. Very insensitive too, coming so soon after the news of 85 year old Fr Jacques Hamel’s brutal murder that so shocked the country, and all Catholics everywhere.

    However, there is no mention in the article that this church, St Rita, was being used by the Gallican church, which is not part of the Catholic Church. Certainly this fact doesn’t justify its demolition of course!

    ———

    Edit: No, the earlier broadcasted information was incorrect. These were traditional Catholics at a TLM that were so roughly evicted by the police!

    It is important to note that the IBP [Institute of the Good Shepherd], which offers the Tridentine form of the Roman Rite according to the 1962 Roman Missal, is in full communion with the Holy See and is growing rapidly in France: ten years after its founding in 2006, the number of priests in the IBP has grown to more than 30, and the Institute can boast of an equal number of seminarians. It is governed by the same regulations as more familiar Institutes and Fraternities dedicated to the preservation of Tradition, such as the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) and the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICKSP). Contrary to some reports, therefore, it appears that the parishioners who were forcibly evicted from St. Rita were not “Gallicans”, but rather Catholics in good standing with the Church.”

  7. JabbaPapa says:

    As Bruvver Eccles has suggested — let’s be ecumenical in this instance.

  8. kathleen says:

    Well, naturellement, dear Jabba!😉

    Returning to Steve Skojec’s revealing article, he quotes the ISIS swine as stating:

    “The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Etc..”

    We all know these are the lies and threats of hate-filled satanists (for nothing is more obvious than that these bloodthirsty brutes are totally possessed by the devil)… but are they also idiots?

    Would you look first of all at their threats and accusations directed at us that are exactly some of the many vile tactics they use “as any fule knows” (pace Eccles), to terrorise all non-Muslims, i.e., bombing, torturing, usurping our lands, etc. So they believe their own lies, do they?
    Secondly, it is very significant that the, by now, millions affected by the advance of ISIS (or Boko Haram in Africa) have preferred either martyrdom or exile, rather than conversion to this heretical creed called Islam. Very, very telling!
    Thirdly, hate is a strong emotion, first taught and divulged by Islam’s false prophet, that fuels their eagerness to spread its evil fruits. They have fallen into their own trap, admitting what true Islam is all about! (It is fortunate, I suppose, that the majority of Muslims prefer not to heed the call to hate and kill the infidel!)

    The big question now is, will Pope Francis’ aides and advisors take the blinkers off his eyes and inform him of this great grievance of ISIS at the way he foolishly interprets Islam as “peaceful”?
    We may only hope so…

  9. GC says:

    Mr Fisher, thank you for linking again to that article in the Atlantic. Martin Kramer attributes the carnage to an attempt by various Sunni outfits to dominate again regions they have lost control of; namely Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

    Revenge of the Sunnis

  10. Tom Fisher says:

    Thanks GC, I’ll read Kramer’s piece this evening. I have been surrounded, inundated, and occasionally plagued by my extended family today – so I haven’t had a chance yet.

  11. Tom Fisher says:

    They have fallen into their own trap, admitting what true Islam is all about!

    Kathleen, to state that the members of ISIS articulate the nature of true Islam is a very bold thing to do. Islam as defined by by ISIS is utterly incompatible with Islam as practiced by millions of Shiite. And, in fact, most Sunni. Not to mention the Ibadi. For what particular reasons do you accept the claims made by ISIS that their horrific interpretation of Islam is the most authentic? As a non-Muslim I’d be very wary of entering such a complicated debate, spanning 1500 years, multiple cultures, and languages. However you’ve drawn your conclusions with confidence, can you share the grounds for your analysis?

  12. toadspittle says:

    We all know these are the lies and threats of hate-filled satanists (for nothing is more obvious than that these bloodthirsty brutes are totally possessed by the devil)… but are they also idiots?”
    They are not “lying.” They believe exactly what they state – that they are under orders from God to kill everyone who has different ideas – starting with the vast majority of Muslims. And what God wants – God gets.
    Are they also idiots? Depends how you define an idiot. They certainly are religious maniacs.

    There is a bizarre idea constantly kicking around here [Moderator: your idea – quit the lies you attribute to others] – that anyone who is not a traditional Catholic is actually lying. So every, for example, Methodist – secretly really knows very well that only Catholicism is true – he/she’s just pretending to believe in Methodism for some obscure, no doubt satanic, reason of his/her own. This way lies madness.

  13. kathleen says:

    Tom,

    There is a mountain of evidence available for anyone who really wants to understand the root causes of the violence pouring from the pseudo-religious political system known as Islam. Why pick on my lone and insignificant comment to bombard me with so many indignant questions, feigning surprise at my “conclusions”?

    I shall answer you, all the same. To put my response into a nutshell, would be to point to the life of the founder of Islam – the evil, cruel, murdering warlord called Mohammad.

    The Muslims that most closely resemble their “prophet” are the true followers of Islam, as they themselves recognise.
    The Christians that most resemble Our Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, and our “founder”, are the true followers of Christianity, as we ourselves recognise.

    From 1P5: “The perfect model for Islamic behavior and life is none other than Muhammad himself. Christians say “What would Jesus do,” and Muslims say “What would Muhammad do.” Muhammad is even called “al-insan al-kamil,” meaning “the perfect man” because all his actions are regarded as a perfect model for human behavior. The question when evaluating the morality of Islamic action according to their own internal system of belief therefore becomes, what did Muhammad do? By all of the orthodox Islamic accounts, Muhammad was a mass-murderer, a pedophile, a necrophile, a serial rapist, a man who claimed he was possessed by demons, a highway robber, a liar, a deceiver, and a tyrant who placed his concept of divine beatitude at the service of his own acquisition of power, money, and sex in this life with the promise that these same ill-gotten pleasures would endure perpetually in the afterlife. As St. Alphonsus Liguori said, “the Mahometan paradise is fit only for beasts, for only filthy sensual pleasure is there.””

    http://www.onepeterfive.com/the-root-cause-of-islamic-violence/

    Further down this article, the author says:
    “I also write for Shoebat.com, the website of Walid Shoebat, self-described as a former “radicalized Muslim willing to die for the cause of Jihad” until he converted to Christianity, and now works to expose the harsh realities of Islam. Practically every day, we are reporting on some heinous act of Muslim violence in regions dominated by Muslims.”

    Yes, Tom, “the harsh realities of Islam” from someone who knows what he is talking about! (Personally speaking, I find Shoebat’s reports too distressing and avoid going there.) That there are millions of decent Muslim people who ignore the fundamental teachings of Mohammad, the Koran, the Hadiths, Surahs, etc., does not lessen the glaring truth that “true Islam” is practiced by its large percentage of jihadist/terrorist groups and millions of sympathisers… and has done so for over 1400 years. The non-followers of orthodox Islam are considered “bad Muslims” (that we call “peaceful” Muslims) and deserving of death by their radical co-religionists.

    It is well documented that the fundamental premise of the Mohammedan death cult known as Islam is world dominion and subjugation of all peoples to this religion of an antichrist. Fundamental Islam has never wanted peace. Perhaps among the 1.6 billion Mohammedans there are those who do, but not the political ideology that is Islam. It is a belief system devoid of grace and truth. ISIS and all the extremist groups like them (e.g. Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, etc.) are Islam’s perfect (i.e. orthodox) followers.

  14. Tom Fisher says:

    Why pick on my lone and insignificant comment to bombard me with so many indignant questions, feigning surprise at my “conclusions”?

    Because the emphatic nature of your assertion places the onus on you to back it up with reasoned argument. I don’t have sufficient expertise to adjudicate disputes between Muslims about the nature of their religion. Can a Muslim venerate a shrine? Yes, he can according to the majority of Shiite. No, he can’t according to many Sunni. Who is right? I don’t know — but you claim to — if ISIS etc. represent authentic Islam, (as you say they do) then the Shiite do not.
    If you’re view is intellectually serious, you should be happy to back it up. — With a specific account of why Sunni Islam is more; ‘authentic’ than Shia.

    ISIS and all the extremist groups like them (e.g. Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, etc.) are Islam’s perfect (i.e. orthodox) followers.

    It remains unclear exactly what criteria you are using to assert that ISIS, Al Quaeda, Boko Haram, and the Taliban are “orthodox” followers of Islam. By definition that would mean that you are endorsing a particular Sunni interpretation. Are the Shiite not Muslim? Do they not claim to be orthodox?

  15. Tom Fisher says:

    The non-followers of orthodox Islam are considered “bad Muslims” (that we call “peaceful” Muslims) and deserving of death by their radical co-religionists.

    To come at this from a different angle; Hezbollah and ISIS both claim to be orthodox. Only one of them can be right. Their theology is utterly different

  16. kathleen says:

    Tom,

    As I said earlier, and I repeat, MOHAMMAD, as the founder of Islam, is the measuring stick of Islamic orthodoxy. The closer a Muslim is to imitating his ‘prophet’, the more truly Islamic he becomes. Let the different sects of Islam dispute the other questions among themselves, such as who is Mohammad’s true successor, the veneration of idols at shrines, etc. – naturally, I don’t know the answer to all this either. But what they all do agree on is the heretical belief (Arian at root, it appears) that Jesus was only a prophet – hence, not Divine – and that Mohammad was the prophet of Allah who founded the (ahem) ‘perfect’ system of Islam on the revelations given to him by a supposed angel. (In fact it probably was an angel – the fallen angel of death!) This evil man, Mohammad, is therefore their model of a true, orthodox Muslim.

  17. mmvc says:

    Tom, for further explanations and insights, Raymond Ibrahim is your man. Unlike most of us, he is an expert in Islamic studies having devoted much of his life to this subject:
    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2016/08/03/how-muslims-justify-killing-other-muslims-in-islams-name/
    Hope that helps.

  18. toadspittle says:

    Isis’s God seems to me (a noted ignoramus certainly, but not alone in that) to be identical with the God of the Old Testament, like this, for instance:
    “And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? …(bit left out for space) …Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.”
    Isn’t that Isis to a “T”? (no, or it would be “Tisis.) – Massacre of innocents, slavery and rape?
    Is it the same God? Or not? What’s the difference?
    I might be very wrong just to lift such frightful things out of “The Good Book.”
    If so, can someone kindly put thick old Toad right?

  19. Tom Fisher says:

    Thanks mmvc, I will read the material you’ve linked to.

  20. katusablog says:

    Good article and important article; it does none of us any good to deny the reality of what ISIS/Islam/Jihad desires and intentions are and have been for centuries; their beliefs are the same now as back in the 7th C and before! When western leaders, and in this case Pope Francis, do their bidding by putting forth ideas of peace as the intent of ISIS, et al, The Quoran, etc., they become complicit in aiding the enemy who wishes us all quite dead. Consider the horrors of Christian Genocide currently taking place, with recent discovery of mass graves with those who would not renounce Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, even though certain death await!

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