Our Lady of Sorrows

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  1. Roger says:

    Thank you.
    The Pieta should melt the Hearts of ALL Men.

    Here is Our Holy Mother with Our Lord sleeping (of death) on her lap. With Our Lord He was asleep as was Adam when his side was pierced and the Church Born.
    The Virgin Birth was without Pain But the Birth of the Church brings Pain and Tears.
    A sword of sorrow has pierced her Heart as was Our Lord’s Heart.

    Sin is the cause of Our Lady’s Sorrow

  2. Simply to read this prayer silently is not nearly as powerful, as impressive, as moving – you could say almost as wounding – as hearing it spoken this way, in this gentle voice, with the hint of an Irish accent. Deeply, deeply grateful.

  3. Toad says:

    “The Virgin Birth was without Pain ..”
    Oh really Robrot? How, in Heaven’s name, can you make that utterly bizarre assertion?
    Where, when, and how, was that “fact” ever revealed to the Faithful?
    …Or do you have the exclusive, personal information of Christ’s Mother on this sensitive matte, and which nobody else is privy to?
    In other, blunter, words, How the Hell do you know that?
    How can anyone know, in fact, that Mary didn’t suffer childbirth pains like just any other normal woman? And why should she have not done so?
    Too “holy,” for her to feel human pain, otherwise?

    All clearly utter, metaphysical nonsense. What Rogbert will actually say – is that he knows it’s true , because he knows it’s written down by God, and he knows what’s written down by God is true. Oh, well.

    Why is it always left to poor old Toad to point this sort of illogical gibberish out ?

  4. Roger says:

    Toad I am stunned and very sad at your words.

    You must have learned your catechism. You have heard this every Christmas and the penny hasn’t dropped?

    Do not understand what the Immaculate Conception means?
    Born of the Virgin Mary! Do you not understand exactly what the Virgin Birth means?
    Our Lords Birth was not that of Fallen Man, Our Lady is Sinless she did NOT bring Our Lord forth in SORROWS.

    She is Our Lady of Sorrows because of the Passion of Our Lord. Her Sorrows are caused by the Sins of Man that required the Crucifixion of Our Lord. Sin is the reason for Our Lady Of Sorrows

    The anathema on Eve “in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children”
    Genesis 3: 16 To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thou shalt be under thy husband’ s power, and he shall have dominion over thee.

    The Great Sign promised to Fallen Man.
    Isaias (Isaiah) 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.

    The Gospels reveal the fulfilment of Isaias
    Matthew 1:23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    How Adam’s Original Sin is passed to all Men.
    Romans 5 : 12 Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.
    ———
    17 For if by one man’ s offence death reigned through one; much more they who receive abundance of grace, and of the gift, and of justice, shall reign in life through one, Jesus Christ.
    18 Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life.
    19 For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just.

  5. Toad says:

    Where in the Catechism does it say that Christ’s birth was painless for his mother, Roger? That’s all I ask. Maybe it does. If so, you can put me right.

    “Do you not understand what the Immaculate Conception means?”
    Yes, and the conception is irrelevant in regard to whether the birth was painful, or not.
    Mary certainly knew what pain meant. She was human.

  6. Roger says:

    Toad

    The Catechism asserts, “The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary’s real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man” (#499). Given this teaching, the perpetual virginity of Mary has traditionally been defended and examined in three parts: Mary’s conception of Christ (virginitas ante partum); her giving birth to Christ (virginitas in partu); and her remaining a virgin after the birth of Christ (virginitas post partum). This formulation was used by many of the early Church Fathers– St. Augustine, St. Peter Chrysologus, Pope St. Leo the Great, St. Gregory Nazianzus, and St. Gregory Nyssa. For example, the Catechism quotes St. Augustine’s elaboration: Mary “remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to Him, a virgin in carrying Him, a virgin in nursing Him at her breast, always a virgin” (#510).

    Mary’s virginity in giving birth to Christ. We remember that one of the sufferings inherited because of original sin is that of “child bearing pains”: The Lord God said to Eve, “I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children” (Genesis 3:16). Since Mary was free of original sin by her immaculate conception, she would consequently be free of “child bearing pain.” In wrestling with this belief, the early Church Fathers then struggled to explain the meaning of this virginity in partu. The majority of Western Fathers seemed to emphasize Mary’s physical integrity. For instance, Pope St. Leo the Great said, “…She [Mary] brought him forth without the loss of virginity, even as she conceived him without its loss…. [Jesus Christ was] born from the Virgin’s womb because it was a miraculous birth….” They compared the birth of our Lord to Him miraculously emerging from the closed tomb or appearing suddenly in the upper room although the doors were locked. Some Fathers used the analogy of the birth of our Lord to a ray of sun shining through a glass: just as the glass remains “unaltered” by the ray, so did Mary by the birth of our Lord. (Even Pope Pius XII in his encyclical Mystici Corporis (1943) asserted, “It was [Mary] who gave miraculous birth to Christ our Lord….”)

  7. Toad says:

    “Mary’s virginity in giving birth to Christ. We remember that one of the sufferings inherited because of original sin is that of “child bearing pains”:
    This sort of thinking is why a great many people don’t take religion seriously any more.
    “The Lord God said to Eve, “I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children” (Genesis 3:16).:”
    It’s best that l refrain from any comment on this. Nor is it necessary.

  8. Roger says:

    Toad
    “This sort of thinking is why a great many people don’t take religion seriously any more.”
    “It’s best that l refrain from any comment on this. Nor is it necessary.”

    John 19
    5 (Jesus therefore came forth, bearing the crown of thorns and the purple garment.) And he saith to them: Behold the Man.

    15 But they cried out: Away with him; away with him; crucify him. Pilate saith to them: Shall I crucify your king? The chief priests answered: We have no king but Caesar.

    Your words concur with the Anti Christian Rationalism of the West where God is replaced with Naturalism (Rationalism) Man. You point to Our Lord in His Passion and say “Behold the Man” no different from any other Man. His Mother No different from any other woman.

    Luke 23
    39 And one of those robbers who were hanged, blasphemed him, saying: If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

    That is the constant accusation against God, Blasphemy (which is hatred) and blaming God for the Sins of this world which are the cause of Man’s and woman’s Sorrows and Suffering. If the Cross is rejected then Reparation for Sin will become endless and Eternal (Hell).

  9. Toad says:

    You point to Our Lord in His Passion and say “Behold the Man” no different from any other Man. His Mother No different from any other woman.”

    I don’t do that, Roger.

    [The Moderator – Toad, the rest of this comment/question of yours is unprintable. Make the question by all means, but please do it in a less blasphemous style.]

  10. Roger says:

    Toad
    Questions by all means.

    Understand my own personal experiences were in my early teens and these were very unpleasant. The certainty of what people call the supernatural better world Evil
    All of the prattle and opinions about Rationality and Science goes out of the window when its clear that my very real and frightening experiences were beyond their help and understanding.
    Much later came an experience of what they would call supernatural Love.
    Hell and Heaven are a reality.

    Our Lady Is Mother AND Virgin. But she only experienced the pains of childbirth when the Church was Born, this is why she is the Mother Of Sorrows.

    Nice to speculate, chatter and have opinions until you come face to face with reality. Facing Reality is very sobering.

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