No Questions Allowed?

From Father Z’s blog:

From LifeSite comes a piece by John Henry Weston about how the new US Cardinals reacted to questions about the Five Dubia submitted by the Four Cardinals.  HERE

Card. Farrell roughly pushed away a reporters hand with a recorder.

Meanwhile:

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Cardinal Joseph Tobin, however, was ready with answers for The Tablet on the same question. In remarks very similar to those of new Cardinal Blase Cupich, [coordination?] Tobin called the Dubia to the Pope by the four Cardinals “troublesome” and said, “The Holy Father is capturing the work of two synods, so if four cardinals say that two synods were wrong, or that somehow the Holy Father didn’t reflect what was said in those synods, I think that should be questioned.”  [Okay… let’s question that for a moment.  First, it is interesting that the argument offered so closely connects Amoris laetitia to the Synod, rather than just the Holy Father.  I think a couple critics of AL made that point when they wondered whether or not it was a Magisterial document.  Also, just because a Synod offers items to the Roman Pontiff for his consideration, the Roman Pontiff is in no way bound to accept them as they were offered.  If he wants to write an Apostolic Exhortation, he can say in it anything it pleases him to say.  He can follow the Synod’s lead or not.  It should also be remarked that the Synod itself seems not to know what the Synod was saying, given the way that the first Synod was jacked around.  Confusion reigned over the Synod.  Confusion is in Amoris laetitia.  A reasonable and fair reading of AL reveals confusing points.]

Adding that the matters dealt with in Amoris Laetitia were complex, Tobin quipped, “just to simply reduce it to a ‘dubium,’ I think it is at best naive.” [Well… when one reads the dubia there is nothing naive or simplistic about them.  They are thoughtful, pointed, deep.]

Cardinal Cupich answered the National Catholic Register’s Edward Pentin on the matter, saying of Amoris Laetitia: “The document that they are having doubts about are the fruits of two synods, and the fruit of propositions that were voted on by two-thirds of the bishops who were there.”  [So?  This is a Synod, not a Council. Synods have no authority.  2/3 majority?  So?  This is an advisory body.  Also, if I recall an advisory body created by Paul VI recommended by a majority something that the Pope rejected, and rightly so.  The Five Dubiaare not about the work of the Synod.  The Five Dubia are about questionable points in Amoris laetitia.   However, please note that it is hard to convey complete thoughts in a press conference to directly to a reported when placed on the spot.]

Cupich added, “I think that if you begin to question the legitimacy or what is being said in such a document, do you throw into question then all the other documents that have been issued before by the other popes. [I don’t see why that should be so.  It is one thing to read a document with clearly taught doctrine and, as a dissenter, disagree with it.  It is another to read a document that is hard to understand and, as a faithful Catholic, desire to know the Truth.] So I think it’s not for the pope to respond to that, it’s a moment for anyone who has doubts to examine how they got to that position because it is a magisterial document of the Catholic Church.”

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If it is document of the Magisterium, then people should have a right to ask questions about it.

No?

Or is this: “NO QUESTIONS ALLOWED!”

From LifeSiteNews:

Rome is buzzing with questions on the four Cardinals’ objections to Amoris Laetitia

With many of the world’s cardinals gathered for the Consistory that added 17 to their number and the closed the Year of Mercy, Rome was abuzz with the story of the four Cardinals who presented a set of yes-or-no questions to the Pope seeking clarity on the Pope’s recent Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia.

At the reception for the three new American cardinals at the Pontifical North American College, each was asked about the so-called “dubia” and the Pope’s refusal to answer.

Cardinal Kevin Farrell, who recently had the media follow his war of words with Philadelphia Archbishop Charles Chaput over Amoris Laetitia, might have felt a little gun-shy. When a reporter in the halls at the reception asked him for his reaction, he pushed a recorder away with his hand, saying rather gruffly he didn’t want to answer that.

Cardinal Joseph Tobin, however, was ready with answers for The Tablet on the same question. In remarks very similar to those of new Cardinal Blase Cupich, Tobin called the Dubia to the Pope by the four Cardinals “troublesome” and said, “The Holy Father is capturing the work of two synods, so if four cardinals say that two synods were wrong, or that somehow the Holy Father didn’t reflect what was said in those synods, I think that should be questioned.”

Adding that the matters dealt with in Amoris Laetitia were complex, Tobin quipped, “just to simply reduce it to a ‘dubium,’ I think it is at best naive.”

Cardinal Cupich answered the National Catholic Register’s Edward Pentin on the matter, saying of Amoris Laetitia: “The document that they are having doubts about are the fruits of two synods, and the fruit of propositions that were voted on by two-thirds of the bishops who were there.”

IMPORTANT: To respectfully express your support for the cardinals’ letter, sign the petition to Pope Francis. Click here.

Cupich added, “I think that if you begin to question the legitimacy or what is being said in such a document, do you throw into question then all the other documents that have been issued before by the other popes. So I think it’s not for the pope to respond to that, it’s a moment for anyone who has doubts to examine how they got to that position because it is a magisterial document of the Catholic Church.”

The “dubia,” of course, regarded clearing up the opposite interpretations of Amoris Laetitia among bishops and theologians rather than the document itself. Nonetheless, Cardinal Cupich claimed that the four Cardinals needed conversion. “The Holy Father doesn’t have to defend a teaching document of the Church,” he said. “It’s up to those who have doubts or questions to have conversion in their lives.”

The animosity toward the four Cardinals coming from the Pope and his closest collaborators was expected. That is why the letter to the Pope containing the “dubia” was signed by three retired Cardinals and Cardinal Raymond Burke, who has already been removed from his Vatican post. “For good reason,” Vatican sources told LifeSiteNews, others who supported the letter could not sign on for fear of losing their positions.

Belying the animosity directed at the four Cardinals asking the Pope for clarification on Amoris Laetitiatheir letter was the kindest and most humble expression of concern. “Compelled in conscience by our pastoral responsibility and desiring to implement ever more that synodality to which Your Holiness urges us, we, with profound respect, permit ourselves to ask you, Holy Father,” is how the Cardinals began their question. Addressing the Pope as the “Supreme Teacher of the Faith,” they asked him to “resolve the uncertainties and bring clarity, benevolently giving a response to the ‘dubia’ that we attach to the present letter.”

See also: Head of Greek Bishops accuses four Cardinals of heresy, apostasy and schism

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2 Responses to No Questions Allowed?

  1. Toad says:

    “No questions allowed?”
    Pitifully few, if your name is Toad.

    .“..others who supported the letter could not sign on for fear of losing their positions.”
    These are people who, presumably, put their jobs above their souls. Burke has already lost his ,(his job, that is, not his soul) so he doesn’t care.
    If he hadn’t – well, we can only speculate.

    “Card. Farrell roughly pushed away a reporters hand with a recorder..”
    Good for the Card.- because we all hate the press, don’t we? Bunch of liars, whose sole aim is to destroy both the Church and Western Civilisation
    (Why was the Card. holding a recorder?)

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