Dissenters? Oh No, We’re Not! Seasonal Pantomime Fun with Austen Ivereigh


CP&S Comment – To brighten up the continuous bombardment of gloomy, contradictory news long-suffering Catholics are daily being submitted to by the current Pope and his supporters, we publish this perceptive article from ‘Torch of The Faith‘. It describes the latest pantomime of topsy-turvy thinking from one of Francis’ most outspoken sycophants, Austen Ivereigh.

I still chuckle sometimes when I recall a pantomime I attended at the Crosby Civic Hall when I was about 10-years old. There was a bloke dressed as a peasant during a peasant-revolt scene in a mock-up village on the stage. He had a daft looking ventriloquist’s puppet on one arm and was boisterously shouting, ”We are revolting!” At that point, the silly puppet scrunched up its nose, looked at him sideways, and grimaced in a Liverpool accent: ”You speak for yourself, I think we look pretty good actually!”

Mind you, I was always one of those kids who cringed with embarassment when all the other children used to join in with the ”He’s behind you!” and the ”Oh no, he’s not!” pantomime routine.

When I first heard about Austen Ivereigh’s latest Crux interview, I thought perhaps the British pantomime season had begun early this year. After all, Austen’s wild claims in that piece did rather seem like a bit of amateur dramatics, with some grotesque caricature mixed in for good measure!

As time is pressing today, we will provide some brief responses to Mr. Ivereigh in the best of the British pantomime spirit that his article seems to invite. Please do feel free to share in the jolly festive fun by joining in with the underlined panto’ responses at home!

Mr. Austen Ivereigh making one of those, ahem, unusual hand-signs. Keen observers might discern the hand of Francis. He's behind you...

Mr. Austen Ivereigh making one of those, ahem, unusual hand-signs. Keen observers might discern the hand of Francis. He’s behind you…

Austen: The critiques of Amoris Laetitia have crossed a frontier into a territory marked ”dissent”.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, they haven’t!

Yesterday’s orthodox Catholic does not become today’s dissenter just because a reigning pontiff issues an ambiguously worded document; and then fails to answer a politely worded request from faithful prelates for it to be clarified in the light of Sacred Scripture, Tradition and the constant Magisterium of the Church.

Austen: These critics look every day more and more like the lobbyists who argued for women priests or an opening in the area of contraception.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, they don’t!

The ”lobbyists” for women priests and ”openings” in the area of contraception represented a rupturing breach with Sacred Scripture, Tradition and the Church’s constant Magisterium. Those seeking to be faithful to Christ’s clear teachings on Holy Matrimony, the state of grace and Holy Communion are defending the Faith from such a rupturing breach in our own day.

Austen: What they have in common is that they are largely lay, educated and from the wealthy world.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, they’re not!

There are many priests who share grave misgivings over the ambiguities in Amoris Laetitia. Some, though sadly too few, of these have already spoken out clearly. We know others who do not speak out for fear of having their faculties, parishes and homes removed from them by persecuting Modernists in the hierarchy. We know one priest who has said that, if he were ever ordered to give Holy Communion to adulterers, he would simply refuse and go and get a secular job in order to maintain himself; even if this meant cleaning the streets with a dust-cart.

On the other hand, ”uneducated” lay people, the world over, have been able to understand and live from the Church’s clear teachings for many centuries. Assuredly, they would have resisted the present novelties as strongly, if not more so, as any present-day blogger armed with a lap-top. In the old days, resistance to heresy would more likely have involved sharpened pitch-forks than merely sharp words…

Then again, it is often the ordinary lay folk who today find themselves being confused and undermined by the so-called ”educated” types, like the German though not germane Walter Kasper for example, who have made the clear teachings seem to be somehow ambiguous.


Austen: Clinging to the pain of their betrayal, they take refuge in their progressive or traditionalist liturgies and incandescent websites.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, they don’t!

Progressive or traditionalist… Which is it to be Mr. Ivereigh; for it cannot be both!

In any case, it is Christ that we cling to in the Traditional Latin Mass. This was the Mass of Ages which sanctified generations of Catholics throughout the world.

However, I’ll not argue with the suggestion that the Traditional Latin Mass is a refuge. It is certainly a refuge from all the irreverence, sacrilege and heretical teaching that, sadly, prevails in far too many places today.

In terms of this website, we originally started it 8 years ago to bear witness to Jesus and His holy Church. When it became clear that Pope Francis was consistently undermining the Faith, and the faithful, we began to respond in order to help Catholics to keep going. We often get told by Catholics at the parish level that blogs such as ours make them happy to know that there is, at least, some voice being raised out there to defend the True Faith. It seems that one man’s incandescence might be another’s sign of hope.

Austen: Everything in Amoris Laetitia – including the controversial Chapter 8 – received a 2/3 majority in a synod that was notoriously frank, open and drawn out.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, it didn’t!

The Rome synods might have been notorious and drawn out. Then, too, they may have been ”Frank”; but perhaps not in the way Mr. Ivereigh suggests… No-one could justly accuse them of being truly open.

In any case this myth of the 2/3 majority must be demolished.

In the first instance, it is not legitimate for Catholic bishops to vote on aspects of the revealed Deposit of Faith as though they were in a disgruntled meeting of Shelby Spong-esque episcopalians.

Secondly, the Kasper proposal was rejected in the Synod of 2014. Therefore, by the synod’s own rules, it should never have been inserted into the Final Relatio document.

Thirdly, and in spite of the fact that Francis stacked the decks – by not inviting several key orthodox prelates, inviting instead modernistic predator-protectors like the disgraced Godfried Daneels, and having the prelates vote on the final document without sufficient time to peruse all the paragraphs in their own languages – the Synod of 2015 still failed to reach even a qualified majority of votes for the most problematic paragraphs.

Oh yes, the Holy Spirit is still protecting Christ’s holy Church! This itself should be a cause for many new converts in our own days.

In short, no matter how many times the ”Big Lie” of the 2/3 majority is told, nor by whom it is repeated, it will always remain an ugly untruth in its very essence!

Austen: Roma locuta, causa finita. Therefore, the critics should be left standing at the platform as the train leaves the station.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, they shouldn’t!

So much for mercy and accompaniment, hey!

I’ve often thought of St. Peter’s Barque in terms of a rescue ship seeking to extract battered survivors from the roaring tempest and give them a safe deck to reach their heavenly home. I would hate to think of scoffing at folks getting left behind…

In any case, it is true that Rome has spoken definitively on the issues of the state of grace, Holy Communion and Holy Matrimony. It’s just that, that teaching – so clearly spelled out in the Council of Trent, Canon Law, various official catechisms and Familiaris Consortio – clearly outweighs an ambiguous footnote in a document which even begins by saying that it is not in any way intended to set out a universal set of norms to be followed.

The Holy Spirit does not say one thing in one age and something contrary in another. It would be blasphemy to suggest otherwise.

Whilst Mr. Ivereigh might wish to scoff at the bystanders he wishes left behind on the platform, it is to be feared that it is he, and not they, who have boarded the wrong train…

Austen’s article is so concise that we can satisfactorily conclude our fun pantomime interactions at this point.

Torch of The Faith: Oh no, it isn’t!

Alas, Mr. Ivereigh’s Crux article runs on into an epic of Amoris Laetitia proportions. However, no volume of words can make the overall result any less ambiguous or meaningful. We find this to be the case even if one reads it very s-l-o-w-l-y indeed a la Schonborn or Aguila.

Still, we feel some necessary responses have already been made to Mr. Ivereigh. And we express our thanks to him for an evening’s hilarity. Let us then conclude with a final jovial exchange.

I say, Austen old boy, is that the hand of Francis we seem to discern behind you?

Oh yes, it is!

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4 Responses to Dissenters? Oh No, We’re Not! Seasonal Pantomime Fun with Austen Ivereigh

  1. The other day I commented on a Facebook group (We are Catholics of Great Britain and Ireland and their Friends): “Has anybody else noted that wherever Austen Ivereigh struts his stuff — Catholic Voices, Crux — no comment is allowed? So, for example, in this article in Crux he writes: “Under John Paul II, on the other hand, the dissenters were convinced he had betrayed the Council. They argued for women priests, an end to mandatory celibacy and an opening in areas such as contraception.” I felt moved to comment: “For example you and your fellow-travelling Tabletistas.” But I couldn’t!”

    Has anybody else noticed this?

  2. kathleen says:

    Yes, I believe you are right, CCB. Those are the sly tactics they use to avoid having to face up to a following tidal wave of criticism of their flawed statements and outright lies. So cowardly!

    P.S. At least we have the Internet, with its hundreds of widely-read orthodox Catholic blogs, where we can show them up as con-men with their false, biased reporting… and thus save many from being hoodwinked!

  3. 000rjbennett says:

    So no one is allowed to comment at the websites where Austen Ivereigh bloviates in writing? Well then, I know comments are permitted at least on this blog.

    My comment: Austen Ivereigh is a joke.

    No, I take that back. Austen Ivereigh is a BAD joke.

  4. kathleen says:

    Father Hugh pointed out on his blog the other day that from the ‘Votive Mass for the Pope’ comes this Collect:

    “… grant that he, whom you have made Peter’s successor, may be for your people a visible source and foundation of unity in faith and communion.”

    So what do we do when we have a Pope who is not fulfilling that part of the prayer ^ marked in bold? And whose mouthpieces like Austen Ivereigh help him stoke up that disunity even further?

    We raise up our voices in support of those good and holy bishops, priests and laymen who confront these dissenters to amend their errors! Fr Hugh:

    So Austen Ivereigh reveals a disturbing ignorance of authentic teaching on the Church and the papacy when he accuses the four cardinals, and those who are slowly but surely supporting their search for clarity from the pope, of “dissent”. He uses this is in a political, not a theological sense, and comes up with the astounding definition that it dissent is to “question the legitimacy of a pope’s rule. It is to cast into doubt that the development of the Church under this Successor of St. Peter is a fruit of the action of the Holy Spirit.”

    But those who are seeking clarity from the pope are hardly questioning his legitimacy or authority as pope. In reality they are asking him to exercise it, fully and properly. Dissent, in an ecclesial rather than a political view, is to reject or disagree with the teaching of the Church. The four cardinals, and the other pastors and theologians now speaking out in agreement with them, are dissenting from no teaching of the Church but are asking the pope to confirm it.

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