Vatican official close to Pope’s inner circle shares explosive information



January 3, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) 

Just over a year ago, a reader had a revealing and candid conversation with a Vatican official close to Pope Francis’ inner circle.

They were traveling on the same flight to Rome; the official was on his way back from the World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia, just before the 2015 Ordinary Synod on the Family.

What he said was remarkable for its rejection of orthodoxy and contempt for the core teachings of the Catholic faith.

The reader has kindly shared the contents of their exchange, one that offers valuable insights into how this pontificate viewed the Synod on the Family, Holy Communion for remarried divorcees without an annulment, and various personalities leading the Church today.

We do not doubt the authenticity of the exchange. The reader’s account of their conversation is below:

Plane conversation

I boarded the plane and took my seat. An older, rather heavy-set Italian who looked like he’d eaten his fair share of pasta sat down next to me. We exchanged greetings, and he introduced himself as an official of the former Pontifical Council for the Family, headed by Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia.

The official seemed to feel quite free to speak, and was keen to express that he knew Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri, secretary general of the Synod of Bishops. There were a couple of moments during our conversation when he admitted he had spoken at length to Cardinal Baldisseri, but he could not reveal the contents of their conversation.

Our conversation quickly turned to the upcoming Synod. I simply asked questions and was sincerely listening and interested in his viewpoint. Also on this account, I think he felt free to speak. The beginning of our conversation focused a lot on the Kasper proposal,* and I was trying to understand the logic behind it.

Question: [After asking repeatedly about how someone can enter a second union when the first marriage is sacramental and valid] I don’t understand. If the first marriage was sacramental and valid, how can someone be admitted to Communion if they are in a second civil union? What about the indissolubility of marriage?

Response: What do you do when the indissolubility is dead, when there’s no more feeling?

[“Come si fa quando l’indissolubilta è morta, quando non c’è piu sentimento?]

I thought to myself: This is the last thing a priest should say to a newly married couple who is experiencing difficulty.

After some back and forth, I asked:

Question: But what about Pope John Paul II’s Familiaris Consortio, 84?**

Response: How can we accept [“ammettere”] it? It was written 30 years ago …

Question: But what about where Pope John Paul II says, in FC 84, that according to the Sacred Scripture and Tradition, someone who’s first marriage is valid and who is in a second union can’t be admitted to Holy Communion unless they live as brother and sister.

Response: We can’t expect a man and woman who are sleeping in the same bed to live as brother and sister.

Our conversation turned to some of the people the Pope had appointed to the Synod.

Question: The Pope chose Cardinal Kasper to attend the Synod. Do you think this means the Pope agrees with Kasper?

Response: [Notable Pause] … Yes

Question: What do you think of Kasper?

Response: “He’s the most intelligent man in the room.”

Question: And Cardinal Burke? …

Response: [Quickly he said] He’s not coming. He doesn’t count for anything; he’s too Lefebvrist.  [“Non conta per niente; è troppo Lefebvrista”]

Question: But I imagine there will be a lot of opposition from some of the bishops and cardinals at the Synod, especially from Africa, America, Poland. What will Pope Francis do?

Response: “He will listen, and then he’ll do what he wants.”

Question: But what about Pope Benedict? I don’t imagine he would agree.

Response: He’s a theologian, but he’s got no pastoral experience.

Question: And the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith?

Response: [With what seemed a disparaging tone] They think they are the guardians of the faith! The Pope is the guardian of the faith.

Question: I heard that the Pope appointed Cardinal Danneels*** to attend the Synod …

Response: Ah, what a good man … he is refined … [“è raffinato”]

Our conversation eventually turned to other more benign topics, then ended until we arrived in Rome. When we landed, he gave me his name and telephone number.


* The Kasper Proposal was a thesis presented by Cardinal Walter Kasper at the Extraordinary Consistory of February 2014 in which he suggested a penitential path for some remarried divorcees that would eventually lead to them being admitted to the sacraments, even though the Church has traditionally viewed such persons as living in an adulterous relationship.

** Familiaris Consortio is Pope St. John Paul II’s 1981 apostolic exhortation on the family. Paragraph 84 explicitly reaffirmed the Church’s practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried. It states if these people were admitted to the Eucharist, “the faithful would be led into error and confusion regarding the Church’s teaching about the indissolubility of marriage.” It also states that reconciliation in the sacrament of Penance which would open the way to the Eucharist is only possible if they live as brother and sister, abstaining from sexual relations.

*** Cardinal Godfried Danneels, the archbishop emeritus of Mechelen-Brussels, tried to cover up a sex abuse case involving a fellow bishop in 2010. An audio recording leaked to the Belgian media revealed the cardinal urged the victim not to reveal that his abuser was his uncle Roger Vangheluwe, Bishop of Bruges, until the bishop had retired. The cardinal asked the victim if he would wait until Bishop Vangheluwe retired before going public, and even told him to “ask forgiveness” and “acknowledge your own guilt”. The victim responded: “Whose forgiveness do I have to seek? I am not the one to ask for forgiveness.” Despite the cover-up and Cardinal Danneels’ controversial views on such issues as same-sex marriage and abortion, Pope Francis personally invited him to participate in both synods on the family as one of his handpicked delegates.

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9 Responses to Vatican official close to Pope’s inner circle shares explosive information

  1. This information is not quite as explosive as it would have been before we started to learn what kind of man Bergoglio really is. Before we found out what “mercy” means to him, especially when asking a cardinal to get rid of three subordinates. So, explosive? Well, yes. But more than that: disgusting.

  2. Now that I think about it, what really strikes me about this conversation is the official’s comment that “we” cannot accept Familiaris Consortio because “it was written thirty years ago.” No wonder the poor man is apparently not will even to consider the teachings of the Gospel. After all, they were written TWO THOUSAND years ago.

    And so it becomes clearer, what so many suspected: the synod was just a piece of theater, a charade that Bergoglio organized and manipulated, not really to discuss anything, but simply to come to the conclusion he wanted.

  3. kathleen says:

    I agree with RJB, after close to four years now of witnessing the undermining of traditional Catholicism by Pope Francis, the disclosures of this interview come as no great surprise. It is quite clear Francis is seeking to build a ‘c’hurch in a modernist (or better said Protestant) mould of his own making.

    Question: But I imagine there will be a lot of opposition from some of the bishops and cardinals at the Synod, especially from Africa, America, Poland. What will Pope Francis do?

    Response: “He will listen, and then he’ll do what he wants.”

    That’s it in a nutshell. He pretends to “listen”, with every deluded admirer crying out, “oh, he is sooo humble“, and then he goes and does exactly what he wants.
    And what Francis “wants” seldom appears to be what Christ or His Holy Church “want”!!

    All his talk of dialogue, mercy, etc., is nothing more than a farce.

    LifeSiteNews published another revealing article the same day, entitled “2016: The year Pope Francis finally showed his hand”, that goes further to uncover the manipulations of Francis to have his own way and alter Church teaching:

    ROME, January 3, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – 2016 marked a dramatic turning point in the pontificate of Pope Francis. It may be called the year of the great awakening, as more and more faithful Catholics and prelates, Cardinals included, came to a frightening understanding that there is a major problem with the current Pope.

    For the beginning years of his papacy, most, including LifeSite, gave Francis the benefit of the doubt. They repeatedly told themselves and others not to believe the media; that his words were being taken out of context or mistranslated; that he was just plain poor at doing interviews; that he wasn’t often aware of the consequences of his words; that he wanted to be pastoral and thus overstated things at times; and that off-the-cuff interviews are not official expressions of the Church’s teaching authority.

    Many of these hopes were pinned on the outcome of the two controversial Synods on the Family. It was hoped that the final document by the Pope would finally set things straight after he had allowed many bishops to express themselves freely, even in ways contrary to Christ’s own words. In the end, they thought, it would be as it was with Pope Paul VI who, after two years of deliberation and being intensely urged by numerous close advisors to alter the Church’s constant teaching against contraception, nevertheless proclaimed Humanae Vitae and confirmed perennial, authentic Catholic teaching.

    However, with Amoris Laetitia it has not been so. The confusion has been allowed to fester and only increase as Pope Francis himself has made known his personal views on the grave matters under consideration. He showed himself to be, at least in hard cases, open to altering the teaching of the Church, or as he would call it, being open to the “surprises of the Holy Spirit.”

    While the shift can most clearly be seen in the dubia by the six Cardinals, four of whom went public, it can also be seen in the growing concern expressed by official and powerful Catholic entities such as EWTN. The Catholic media empire founded by the saintly Mother Angelica has in their television programming with Raymond Arroyo, in their newspaper the National Catholic Register with Ed Pentin, and in their UK blog run by Deacon Nick Donnelly, taken to accurately and unapologetically reporting on the controversies caused by Pope Francis.

    Read the rest there.

  4. toadspittle says:

    “And what Francis “wants” seldom appears to be what Christ or His Holy Church “want”!!”

    We can only guess what Christ might ,or might not, “want. ”
    And the Church is an institution, not a person – so it can’t “want” anything, any more than, say, “science,” or “nature,” can.

    But I’m beginning to agree Francis might well be just as bad as the rest of them, with respect to hushing up the various scandals.
    …Which is a shame.

  5. Brother Burrito says:

    “Maliciously promulgated hearsay” is what a court of law would opine about this article.

  6. The Raven says:

    Dear Brother Burrito

    I do believe that you’re right, this story has the ring of ”too good to be true” about it: it perfectly fits my own traditionalist prejudices, which makes me suspicious.

    But there are things about this pontificate that do fit this narrative so well: why was Danneels, a man utterly mired in an abuse scandal, recalled? why is Kasper suddenly in the ascendant? and doesn’t the Buenos Aires letter as good as confirm that the Holy Father seems to believe that marriage is dissoluble? doesn’t the essential tenor of the arguments of the Kasperite/Bergoglioite faction essentially say that ‘Jesus was wrong’?

    I find the whole affair worrying and deeply dispiriting. If the Church rejects the words of Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, then what is the use of the Church?

  7. kathleen says:

    Not only was the creepy Cardinal Daneels involved in various abuse of minors’ scandals, he was also one of the organisers of the sinister St Gallen mafioso group that got Francis elected to the Chair of Peter.

    AND, Daneels was also the promoter of a disgusting, bordering on pornographic, Catechism textbook in Belgium! Can you believe it – a supposedly Catholic Cardinal endorsing such a scandalous Catechism aimed at destroying the innocence of little children? It had tens of thousands of anxious Belgian parents up in arms for months to get the filthy thing removed.

    Daneels has done more to destroy the Church in Belgium than anybody. How he has not been removed from the priesthood altogether is just another indicator that ‘the Wolves’ are roaming freely among us …a sus anchas as they say in Spanish.

  8. Brother Burrito says:

    Dear Raven,

    If I was suddenly put in charge of God’s Holy Church (God forbid!) I too would draw God’s enemies close to me, while ignoring the potential scandal thereof. Thus I would be better empowered to eviscerate them should they attempt to bring sacrilege and heresy to life.

    I write hypothetically, of course, but in my heart I wish only “death to vermin”, out of a healthy human spirit of hygiene, you understand. 😉

  9. Mary Salmond says:

    The answers seem so natural for this prelate, yet so unorthodox and unmeasured. Pretty unsettling and lacks in spirituality. A startling contrast to an Cardinal Burke!

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