Christians need not apply

From Father Ed’s Blog (a Catholic priest reflects)

This week the ugly face of modern British bigotry was exposed. And again the intolerance came, not from Christian quarters as we are led to believe, but was aimed squarely at them. How the media gunned for Tim Farron over his personal views on sex. He was hounded aggressively until cornered then given a clear ultimatum: publicly endorse the moral values of the sexual revolution/gay lobby or face the consequences and be damned.

The witch hunt was the more alarming given that Farron’s voting record proves he is no threat to LGBT causes. This was not about his being problematic but a test of his orthodoxy; when push came to shove would he side with the teaching of the faith, that sex has a procreative purpose and belongs in marriage, or concede to the secular consensus that sex is for gratification with no questions asked? The message is crystal clear; a luke warm faith that bends to secular will is, just about, acceptable but a strong Christian faith is now anathema and will not be tolerated.

In the Early Church Christians were persecuted if they refused to bend the knee to the prevailing culture. The authorities tested commitment to inclusivity by demanding sacrifice on the altars of false gods. Today the test has resurfaced and Christians must bend the knee to the inclusivity of the sexual revolution or be shamed and excluded. Thus we have seen bakers, teachers, nurses, adoption agency workers, registrars, and now politicians, suffering if they refuse to submit. It isn’t edifying or very caring of Christians.

It was politically astute of Farron to concede but it deals another blow to Christian culture and the liberal health of our nation. A liberal country would be mature enough to foster a culture of respect in which people of different values work together despite disagreement. Space for mutual flourishing would be made. Instead we witness Christians frozen out unless they ‘get on message’. What an impoverishment as regards genuine diversity!

Of course a liberal society would also tackle bigotry. There can be no place for those endorsing hatred of either homosexuals or Christians. But just because a Christian believes sex cannot be divorced from the natural law/ its procreative purpose doesn’t make them a hater. Some Christians are gay themselves incidentally. So why take private matters into the public square? Why shame and exclude people of faith? Why do the very voices which would so strenuously denounce a Christian media which cornered homosexuals and demanded they endorse the biblical view only fall silent when the tables are reversed?

I am genuinely worried about liberal values in modern Britain. Increasingly we see bully boy tactics deployed and nothing is done when people of faith become the victims of hate. The media loves to suggest bigotry belongs with the Christians but reality looks different. Thirty years ago I would have laughed at the notion Christians would find it impossible to work in the public sector unless hiding their beliefs. Today it seems to be true. How illiberal certain liberals prove to be.

[emphasis in bold is ours]

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The Catholic Herald first picked up this story last Friday – “The outrage at Tim Farron could have serious consequences for Christians in politics” – under the subtitle, “We should all defend Tim Farron from the charges of ‘prejudice’ and ‘intolerance'”.

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18 Responses to Christians need not apply

  1. Mary Salmond says:

    In other words, martyrdom is immenent in our times! After the U.S. healthcare passed without martyrdom from our bishops, I knew our laity would be next. British clergy will begin the persecutions. Oh happy death!

  2. Mary Salmond says:

    The reading for today says it all. John 3:21 … for everyone who does wicked things hates the light. Or the previous passage less strong … but people preferred darkness to light.

  3. sixupman says:

    They mask the truth by the use of the term “Love” instead of its real name “Sodomy”. But do not give your pity for Farron.

  4. toadspittle says:

    “..when push came to shove would he side with the teaching of the faith, that sex has a procreative purpose and belongs in marriage, or concede to the secular consensus that sex is for gratification with no questions asked? “
    For most reasonable people, it can be either. Or both.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/25/tim-farron-says-he-doesnt-believe-gay-sex-is-a-sin
    …Make what you will of that.

    “So why take private matters into the public square? Why shame and exclude people of faith?”
    Farron is a politician. He lives in the public square. His “private,” views are open to public scrutiny. If he says, “I’m publicly in favour of gay marriage, because I want the gay vote, but privately I think it’s sinful, ” the media are entitled, if not obliged, to make this public for the sake of clarity, so that people can judge for themselves.
    If a politician’s private, deeply-held, faith based, view was that Catholicism is evil, (and there are such people) would we defend his/her right to hold that view – as none of our business – or declare it bigotry on the media’s part for drawing attention to it?

  5. kathleen says:

    Father Ed says:
    “It was politically astute of Farron to concede but it deals another blow to Christian culture and the liberal health of our nation,”

    Tim Farron didn’t “concede” at all… he lied! He was hounded and bullied into denying the truth, finally saying that sodomy was not a sin. For, as a committed Christian, he knows very well that it is! Sodomy – for that’s what “gay sex” (a namby-pamby modernistic description) is in reality, sodomy – and one of the “four sins that cry out to Heaven for vengeance“. Farron failed to hold on to this truth in public under the enormous pressure he was subjected to!
    Christians are going to have to increasingly be confronted by the perverse ideology of a vicious and hostile world that has sold its soul to the devil.

    Still, it’s a shame Farron didn’t remain faithful to his Christian beliefs. He put his position, livelihood, and promising political future, over and above his allegiance to his Sovereign Lord and King!
    Life is short, and one day he will have to face up to having succumbed to cowardice with his failure to defend Christ and the Truth to the bitter end.
    Just like we shall all be, if/when we deny Our Lord when challenged!

    “For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?” – (Mark, 8:36).

  6. toadspittle says:

    He was hounded and bullied into denying the truth,
    …No he wasn’t.
    He was simply asked. He could have refused to answer, if he chose.
    People accord the media far more power than they actually possess. (which is very nice,and useful for the media, to must be said.).

    I have never hounded and bullied anyone – except CP&S, of course. (Insert smiley face.)

  7. toadspittle says:

    “…or that’s what “gay sex” (a namby-pamby modernistic description) is in reality, sodomy – “
    …Tell that to a lesbian.
    And there are many male “gays” that don’t indulge in sodomy. ( Auden was one.) But no need to get technical. Let’s just keep it factual.

  8. kathleen says:

    @ Toad

    It’s evident Farron was mercilessly “hounded and bullied” about his Christian beliefs. (They aren’t very popular with the secular world! 😉) That’s why he finally gave in to the pressure, to put an end to their persistent questioning and criticism.

    “And there are many male “gays” that don’t indulge in sodomy.”

    Having a disordered tendency is not sinful. (I thought that goes without saying.) It’s acting on it, or giving in to it, that turns it into a sin.
    We are all tried by “disorders” – or call them “temptations” – in some form or another. While those who suffer from a homosexual tendency do indeed carry a heavy cross, it is through striving to fight and overcome the lure of temptation that men can become great saints.

    Look at the great St Augustine and his strong temptation towards womanising that pursued him all his life, but which, with God’s grace, he managed to conquer!
    Or the gentle, holy St Francis de Sales who successfully fought a violent temper!
    Or St Thomas More and his political ambitions that he forfeited in order to remain faithful to the teaching of the Church on Holy Matrimony!
    Or little St Thérèse de Lisieux, who fought and won over her hyper-sensitivity and tendency to pettiness.

    The saints give us wonderful examples of heroic efforts to overcome sinful “disorders”.

  9. toadspittle says:

    So, we agree all “gays” are not sodomites. Good.

    “It’s evident Farron was mercilessly “hounded and bullied” about his Christian beliefs. (They aren’t very popular with the secular world! 😉) “
    Neither is stamp collecting “very popular.” But that’s a far cry from collectors being “hounded and bullied,” which Farron was not.
    People have a right to know what a politician stands for or against – before casting a vote for or against him/her.
    Most people I know aren’t the slightest bit concerned over what religious people do, or believe, unless it concerns them directlly. They certainly don’t hate religious believers.
    Of course, when the religious people are suicide bombers, or exceptionally crazy – that’s different.
    Do you think you would have the right to know where Farron stands on abortion if you were in a position to vote for or against him, Kathleen?

  10. Mary Salmond says:

    In essence, to Farron or any political figure, our public view affects the policies of our government. Those who believe sodomy to be acceptable therefore allow civil union. That tells me that “union” comes down to money. Because why else would a marriage be necessary? No child can be created. But upon death, all their partners earthly goods go to the other partner. That’s the bottom line. So the love of money has changed the Judeo-Christian values of our government. Any thoughts on that, Kathleen?

  11. toadspittle says:

    “But upon death, all their partners earthly goods go to the other partner. That’s the bottom line. So the love of money has changed the Judeo-Christian values of our government.”
    How does it work in “straight” marriages then, Mary?

  12. Mary Salmond says:

    Hmm. Sometimes straight people marry for earthly things, too. My goal is the salvation of my soul and as many people around me. I can’t answer for anyone else.

  13. kathleen says:

    Toad @ 10:18

    You are barking up the wrong tree once again. As usual!
    Tim Farron’s Christian beliefs, as a member of the Liberal Party, do not mean he had intentions to change his party’s policies. (He couldn’t even if he’d wanted to.) The media and the members of his party knew this, Toad… But what they couldn’t stand was the thought that their representative held firm Christian convictions, especially including the one that disordered sexual practices are sinful! That is why he was “hounded and bullied” by the press, until he gave in.

    You also appear to have a very naïve understanding of how Christians (in particular, Catholic Christians) are treated in the secular West today. Unless you keep your mouth shut and kow-tow to the godless, secular agenda, you are an outcast and you will be persecuted.
    Okay, perhaps not “persecuted” in the same brutally savage way our Christian brethren are being persecuted in Islamic or Communist lands*, but persecuted – i.e., scorned, ridiculed, side-lined, etc. – nonetheless.

    * at least, not yet!

    And finally, yes, before casting my vote for the person who is going to represent my interests in the government, I would want to know if he/she were pro-life and held pro-family values. These are issues most Catholics would want to be sure of before voting. What’s wrong with that? The only thing is, you’re not likely to find those values in a left-wing liberal party!

  14. kathleen says:

    Mary Salmond @ 13:36

    Yes, Mary, certainly money (thus, materialism) has something to do with it, but I think it goes a lot further than that. Catholic values and morality have no place in the sinister New World Order the enemies of Christ and His Church want to establish on Earth. In fact, the Catholic Church is their greatest stumbling block, which is why they centre all their attention on aiming for Her fall.
    It is no longer a hidden secret. We can see so clearly the tactics they are using to infiltrate the Church to undermine Her from the inside. Our Blessed Lady has warned us of these dangers at each of her recognised apparItion sites.

    Our greatest ‘weapons’ to defend our Holy Catholic Church in the face of such demonic attacks is to be true soldiers of Christ ourselves, armed with the virtues and faithful to Her teachings…. and pray hard!

  15. Mary Salmond says:

    Agreed, pray hard, keep my nose to the ground, and save as many as I can.

  16. toadspittle says:

    “Tim Farron’s Christian beliefs, as a member of the Liberal Party, do not mean he had intentions to change his party’s policies.”
    Nobody ( as far as I know) ever suggested they did.
    Anyway, that’s enough Farron for me. Time for Fatimania!

  17. toadspittle says:

    (Expect to see the word,“Fatimania,” in the loony media soon – this year.
    You read it here first, because Toad invented it.)

  18. Mary Salmond says:

    It’s okay. It promotes Fatima subliminally. Thanks.

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