Father Hermann Cohen’s Mother

The following reflection is taken from an email sent by a close friend who is happy for me to share it with our readers:

There is much talk of late about the final destiny and salvation of those who have left this world without baptism or membership of the Catholic Church, on account of the teaching: ‘no salvation outside of the Catholic Church’.

St Anthony of Egypt was pondering on the fate of non-Catholic souls after death. An angel appeared to him saying : “Look to thyself Anthony, the knowledge of these things is not for thee.” In other words the angel was telling him not to speculate. God has not revealed it. It is entirely in the Justice of God!

St Thomas Aquinas wrote: Man may, without baptism of water, receive the sacramental effect, in so far as he is conformed to Christ by suffering for Him. Hence it is written in Revelation 7:14 “These are they who are come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes and have made them white in the Blood of the Lamb.” In like manner, a man receives the effect of baptism by the Power of the Holy Spirit, not only without baptism of water, but also without baptism of blood: for as his heart is moved by the Holy Spirit to believe in and love God, and to repent of his sins; wherefore this is called baptism of repentance.” (Ref. Our Lord’s words to the repentant thief: ” This day thou shalt be with Me in paradise…”)

Blessed Pope Pius IX in Singulari Quadam, taught that the faithful must not occupy themselves with pointless speculation about the possibility of salvation for those outside the Church, since only God knows whom He will save ( by some extraordinary manner ). Pius IX exhorted the faithful to hold fast to, outside the Church there is no salvation, but to continue the God-given work, to make disciples of all nations. “All further inquiry is unlawful” concluded the Holy Father.

Hermann Cohen, German Jewish pianist and convert to the Catholic Faith, also known as Venerable Augustine Mary of the Blessed Sacrament, O.C.D. or simply as “Father Hermann”

The mother of Fr Hermann Cohen, is a wonderful example of the mercy of God, at the last moment of a person’s life. Fr Cohen had prayed for, and consecrated his mother to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to gain his mother’s conversion. She died without having shown any sign of the hoped and prayed for grace of conversion.

Deeply distressed, Fr Cohen visited the Cure of Ars, who told him to ” hope on, some day on the feast of the Immaculate Conception, you will receive a letter that will bring you great consolation.”

Six years later, 8 December 1861, the feast of the Immaculate Conception, a Jesuit priest sent Fr Cohen a letter from a saintly soul, who, after Holy Communion, had intimate communications with Our Lord in which Our Saviour had revealed the passing of Fr Cohen’s mother: 

“At the moment when Fr Cohen’s mother was about to breathe her last, when she appeared deprived of consciousness, almost lifeless, Mary, our Good Mother, presented Herself before Her Divine Son, and prostrate at His feet, said, ” Grace and pity, O My Son for this soul who is going to perish!  Another moment and she will be lost for all eternity. I implore Thee, to do for the mother of My servant Hermann, what Thou would wish him to do for Thine, if he were in Thy place and Thou were in his. His mother’s soul is his dearest treasure; he has consecrated it to Me a thousand times, entrusting it to the tenderness and solicitude of My Heart. Can I suffer her to perish? No, no, that soul is My possession: I claim it as a heritage, as the price of Thy Blood and of My Sorrows at the foot of the Cross.” Scarcely had the divine supplicant ceased speaking, when a strong powerful grace, escaping from the Source of all graces, the Adorable Heart of Jesus, illuminated the soul of the poor dying woman, and instantaneously triumphed over her resistance. That soul turned at once with loving confidence towards Him Whose mercy had followed her into the very arms of death, and said to Him, “O Jesus, God of the Christians, the God whom my son adores, I believe, I hope in Thee. Have pity on me.”

In that profound cry, heard by God alone and which sprang from the depths of her heart, were sincere sorrow ( i.e. perfect contrition) for her obstinacy and her faults, the desire for Baptism, the wish to receive it, and to live according to our life-saving religion. That spontaneous act of faith, of hope in Jesus, was the last sentiment of her soul; the moment she sent it up to the Throne of Divine Mercy, the frail threads that held her in her mortal covering, broke, and she fell at the feet of Him Who had been her Saviour, before He was her Judge. After showing me all this, Our Saviour added: “Let Fr Hermann know this; it is the consolation I wish to give him after his long sufferings, in order that he may praise, and cause everywhere to be praised, the kindness of My Mother’s Heart, and Her Power over Mine.”

Without affecting the doctrine, ‘outside the Church there is no salvation’, here Our Lord has shown us that at the very last moment of a person’s life, a soul can enter the Catholic Church, and be saved by baptism of desire, of repentance, and enter Heaven a full Catholic, especially through the prayers and consecrations of another generous soul, to the Motherly care of Our Lord’s Most Holy Mother, and ours!

Pray and consecrate, to the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, often if not daily, all those who are dear to you, and those who without knowing it, are desperately in need of the grace of conversion and salvation. O Mary, Immaculate Queen, triumph and reign in all our hearts, be our holy hope.

Some further reading about Father Hermann Cohen and about his mother

 

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41 Responses to Father Hermann Cohen’s Mother

  1. toadspittle says:

    “All further inquiry is unlawful” concluded the Holy Father.”
    That’s that, then.

    “Know then thyself, presume not God to scan
    The proper study of Mankind is Man. “

    Maybe CP&S should take this admonition to heart – and shut up shop.

  2. A; really moving blog entry.

  3. Mary Salmond says:

    mmvc: thanks, I really needed Fr. Cohen’s story today for someone very close to my heart who has been led astray. I’ll remember this possibility, and yes, pray daily and often for this person.

  4. Ahh, Toady! Now lad, think of it. If this shop were shut down, you’d have to find another group to harass, and we’d have nothing to offer to God. Please don’t go – you’re a wonderful source of irritation, providing grace and acts of sacrifice that, Our Blessed Lord uses for His purpose. And, back on-topic, this article settles a question that has troubled me from time to time. Now, I need not worry. I’m glad it was aired. Thank you. Now Toady, be nice, say thank you too.

  5. kathleen says:

    Yes, dear mmvc (Maryla), many thanks for this wonderful and deeply moving story.

    We do indeed know the timeless teaching of the Church, that “outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) and our mandate from Our Lord is to “make disciples of all nations” – (Matthew 28:19) to bring all souls into the Church Christ founded on Peter. But who can fathom the human soul at the moment of death? His/her state and destiny is only between God and them. (That is why the Church has never pronounced on which souls are lost forever to Hell!)
    This amazing testimony above of Fr Hermann Cohen’s beloved mother ^ will fill hearts with renewed hope in God’s promise that, “everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened” – (Matthew 7:8).

    For who has not had a much-loved family member or friend pass away who was not in communion with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church… and this has left us in deep concern about their final destiny? Surely, we all have had – or are having – that distressing worry at this very moment.
    Let us leave these concerns in the Loving Hands of Jesus and Mary and simply do our part… to pray unceasingly and offer sacrifices for their salvation. It is the greatest gift we can give to those we love.

    Nor should we forget Our Lady of Fatima’s request to pray for those “who have no one to pray for them”, so that they too avoid Hell and may receive the grace to turn to God and beg His Mercy and forgiveness for their sins, even should it be as they draw their final dying breath.

  6. Roger says:

    Its a beautiful story revealing what is called the Discourse of Our Lady and there is a converse the discourse of Satan. Remember this forgotten Truth that the Enmity is between the Woman and her offspring and the Serpent and his!
    First this confusion between the Church and that part of it that we see called Militant.

    Remember the Holy martyrs who gave their lives for Christ spontaneously without any instruction and whose martyrdom (baptism of blood) was recorded by the Early Church. Our Lord doesn’t need water to baptise the Soul.
    Before Battles the Blessing and forgiveness of Sins is given, subject to confession afterwards. I understand that covertly priests prisoners of the Japanese were able to secretly say their Masses.

    Think St Joseph who died before Our Lord’s Passion and therefor outside of the Church (the mystical Body Of Christ was born on Calvary). What about St Anne and St Joachim. How about Noah or Abel etc.. What about those in the deepest darkest jungles of Peru who never knew for centuries of the Gospel nor the Church?

    Its unfortunate that Dogma and Doctrine have been stunted, this is not the Holy Will of God but of a Rome listening to the world and Diplomacy ( John Paul II ) entertaining atheists and those that have rejected Christ and patronising them. So the Lambs are not feed but rather left to starve!.
    The Last Dogma was Pius XII and the Assumption Of Our Lady.
    By the Way the Early Church also considered the Pre Sanctification of St Joseph and His Assumption.

    Trust and Love and do not let the world and the worldy distract you from Jesus and Mary. Its called Faith.

  7. toadspittle says:

    Do we thinK Mrs. Cohen had been “led astray,” having been a good mother to her son all her life? I suppose we do. “Perfidious,” as well, no doubt, what with “… her obstinacy and her faults,” and all.
    Shame about all the other loving Jewish mothers, though. Where are they now ?
    No idea.
    Every Jew in the world should carefully read and consider this story.
    We certainly all agree on that.

    “..(Toad) you’re a wonderful source of irritation, providing grace and acts of sacrifice that, Our Blessed Lord uses for His purpose. “
    …I’m happy to see it that way myself, Nev – and also that redacting me is some sort of hideous sin.

  8. mmvc says:

    It was the discussion on EENS (no salvation outside the Church) in the combox of another post that prompted me to share my friend’s encouraging email. I’m heartened that others were reassured by it too – thank you all for your positive comments. And a huge thank you to Our Blessed Mother for her tireless intercession on our behalf!

  9. johnhenrycn says:

    MMVC: This post does provide comfort to those of us with relatives outside the Church, even relatives who have died. Just keep praying to Jesus and to the Queen of Heaven is what I hear.

  10. Crow says:

    The link to the letter by the Abbey of St Joseph de Clairval is really worth reading- it is truly inspirational. Thank you mmvc. (Does any one else have problems with spellcheck?)

  11. johnhenrycn says:

    I very rarely use Spellcheck. Toad has never heard of it. Almost as blind as a bat, he tells us.

  12. Crow says:

    Mmvc turns into McVicar

  13. johnhenrycn says:

    “Mmvc turns into McVicar”
    Hmm. That’s a very Freudian version of Spellcheck you’re using there, Crow 🙂

  14. Crow says:

    Yes…am I being told something?

  15. toadspittle says:

    “Blind as a bat.” That’s awfully good, JH. I will steal it, and use it.

    However:
    “St Anthony of Egypt was pondering on the fate of non-Catholic souls after death. An angel appeared to him saying : “Look to thyself Anthony, the knowledge of these things is not for thee.” In other words the angel was telling him not to speculate. God has not revealed it. “
    If, indeed, God has not revealed it, where did the idea that there is ,”…no salvation outside of the Catholic Church,” come from in the first place?
    And what possible grounds are there for believing it?
    And, if what Aquinas says above is correct – how can ” Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “ also be true? That statement seems categorical enough, surely? Nothing to do with “blood,” and “repentence.”
    But it seems to be some kind of sin even to speculate about these matters.
    And yet we do.

  16. bwr47 says:

    @Kathleen

    “Nor should we forget Our Lady of Fatima’s request to pray for those ‘who have no one to pray for them’, so that they too avoid Hell and may receive the grace to turn to God and beg His Mercy and forgiveness for their sins, even should it be as they draw their final dying breath.”

    Indeed, Kathleen. “Pray, pray much and make sacrifices for sinners.” That was 100 years ago today, as the fourth Fatima apparition, due to take place on 13th August, was deferred because of the children’s imprisonment.

  17. toadspittle says:

    “Nor should we forget Our Lady of Fatima’s request to pray for those ‘who have no one to pray for them..”
    Surely God (and His mother) won’t let those unfortunate and lonely people go utterly unheeded – no matter if they are prayed for by anyone on Earth – or not?
    They won’t simply be ignored by Heaven, I’m sure.
    (Well, I hope I’m sure, anyway.)

  18. Roger says:

    First Apparition of the Virgin : Sunday, May 13th, 1917
    Lucia narrated the following:

    While playing with Jacinta and Francisco on the hill, near Cova de Iria, we were building a wall with stones around a blooming plant, all of a sudden we saw a light like lightning.
    – “
    It is flashing,” I said. “A storm can come. It is better to return home.”
    – “Oh, yes, alright,” my cousins responded. We started to come down from the hill taking the sheep down the path. In the middle of our way on the slope, near the evergreen oak which still exists today, we saw a flash of lightning and after we took some more steps over the slope, we saw a Lady dressed in white, more brilliant than the sun, scattering clear and intense light, more than a ray of sunlight through a glass of water.
    We were so close that we were in the light She irradiated. Our Lady said:
    – “Don’t be afraid. I will not harm you.” I asked her: “ Where are you from ?”
    – “I’m from Heaven.”
    – “What is that you want?”
    – “I have come to ask you to come here six consecutive months on the 13th at the same time.” Later I will say who I am and what I desire.”
    – “I will return a seventh time.”
    – I asked: “Will I go to Heaven?”
    – “Yes, you will go.”
    – “and Jacinta?”
    – “She will go too”
    – “and Francisco?”
    – “He will also go, but he has to pray many rosaries first.” Then I remembered two of my sister’s friends who died recently.”
    – “ s Maria de las Nieves in Heaven?”
    – “Yes she is.”
    – “and Amelia, whose between 18 – 20 years old?”
    – “She will be in purgatory until the end of the world.” And then She said: “Do you want to offer yourselves to God and accept all the sufferings that He desires to send you in reparation for the sins by which He is offended and to implore for the conversion of sinners?”
    – “Yes, we want to.”
    – “You will have to suffer much , but God’s grace will strengthen you.” Upon saying this the Virgin opened her arms for the first time, communicating a very intense light coming from her hands penetrating deep into our chest and our hearts, allowing us to see ourselves in God more clearly than seeing ourselves in a mirror.

    By an interior impulse also communicated to us, we fell to our knees, repeating humbly:
    “Holy Trinity, I adore you. My God, my God, I love you in the Blessed Sacrament.”

    A few moments later Our Lady added:
    – “Pray the rosary every day to acquire world peace and the end of the war.”
    Immediately she started to elevate serenely as light surrounded her while opening her way.

    SO TOAD THE QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO OFFER YOURSELF TO GOD AND ACCEPT ALL THE SUFFERINGS THAT HE DESIRES TO SEND YOU IN REPARATION FOR THE SINS BY WHIHC HE IS OFFENDED AND TO IMPLORE FOR THE CONVERSION OF SINNERS?

  19. toadspittle says:

    “– “and Amelia, whose between 18 – 20 years old?”
    – “She will be in purgatory until the end of the world.” “

    What had Amelia done? Committed mass murder? What are we to make of a God who would permit such suffering for an inocent young woman?

    And how can a perfect, invulnerable, being be “offended” by creatures he made himself, knowing in advance exactly what they would do?

  20. Roger says:

    A Better question Toad is How Long Does the World Have? Amelia is saved for that we must be thankful and will live an Eternity in Heaven.

    Then there are lost for Eternity Hell

    When Our Lady told this to the children, she opened her hands as she had during the two previous apparitions. Lucia described what happened. “The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw as it were a sea of fire.”

    In The True Story of Fatima, Father John de Marchi recounted how Jacinta’s father Ti Marto witnessed the children’s actions in the Cova da Iria that day. He remembered “that Lucia gasped in sudden horror, that her face was white as death, and that all who were there heard her cry in terror to the Virgin Mother, whom she called by name,” wrote Father de Marchi. “The children were looking at their Lady in terror, speechless, and unable to plead for relief from the scene they had witnessed.”

    Later at the request of the Bishop of Leiria, Lucia described the vision this way:

    As Our Lady spoke these last words, she opened her hands once more, as she had done during the two previous months. The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw as it were a sea of fire. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke now falling back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. (It must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. Terrified and as if to plead for succour, we looked up at Our Lady, who said to us, so kindly and so sadly: You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.

  21. toadspittle says:

    “The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. “
    Interesting that the demons were black – like the dreaded Moors. Coincidence, perhaps?
    I’ve never seen transparent coal, myself. But then, I haven’t been to Hell yet.
    Only Las Vegas.

  22. Roger says:

    Black? explained by Our Lady = the souls of poor sinners.

    You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go.
    To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.

    Our Lady says many souls will be saved. She doesn’t limit these to members of the Church Militant.

  23. toadspittle says:

    “Black? explained by Our Lady = the souls of poor sinners.”
    Oh, all right, Roger. If you say so. Doesn’t explain a thing to me.
    “If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.”
    ( “But if it isn’t, they won’t be – and there will be war.”)
    She seems just as ingnorant as we are, when it comes to the future – doesn’t she?

  24. Roger says:

    Prophecy is conditional. In this Case as with Jonas a Miraculous intervention of Heaven took place.
    Heaven doesn’t entertain the Herod’s of this world and the Fire from Heaven (falling Sun) was a wake up Call for this generation.
    The World War One protagonists resumed for World War Two what more evidence do you require of the proof of these words?

    Luke 11
    30 For as Jonas was a sign to the Ninivites; so shall the Son of man also be to this generation.”

    But the time frame for obeying is limited (as with Jonas) . Talking of human respect (Diplomacy) whilst disobeying Heaven and the resulting loss of souls to Hell for Eternity isn’t a subject for frivolity. There is a time and place for humour. Better to look at the 100 years and more building up to Fatima to understand this Prophecy. Because 1917 was a stopwatch being started on a momentous deciding moment for ALL MANKIND.
    Mankind knows precisely where the blame lies for the twentieth century it is with those who were entrusted and empowered by Heaven to Act on the Fatima Prophecy. The current engulfing Apostacy; the self inflicted genocide of the West with the inrushing of those from other cultural backgrounds which will sweep Rome away (because its become a minority) seems more than self evident of the truth of the Fatima Prophecy.

  25. Roger says:

    A salutary reminder of what can happen to Christian Churches is Hagia Sophia. There were in the End three Temples built and destroyed in Jerusalem each time with salutary warnings being given and ignored. I remind that St Peter’s church was that of the catacombs.a minority and much persecuted and this may well become the lot of the West. The Church Militant could be reduced to a catacomb existence!

    The wonderful story here of Father Hermann Cohens Mother makes me even more determined for Our Lady’s Triumph and especially the restoration of her Dowry.

  26. toadspittle says:

    “Mankind knows precisely where the blame lies for the twentieth century it is with those who were entrusted and empowered by Heaven to Act on the Fatima Prophecy. “

    “Mankind” knows precisely no such thing, Roger. I certainly don’t – and, In fact, I doubt if more than a handful of the people who follow CP&S know.
    And this is regardless of the billions of NonTradCaths and the rest currently infesting Planet Earth.
    Such “knowlege” is the province of Fatimaniacs alone.
    (In my opinion, of course. Might be wrong.)

  27. The Raven says:

    No, I think you’re right, Toad.

  28. Roger says:

    To prevent this, I shall come to the world to ask that Russia be consecrated to my Immaculate Heart, and I shall ask that on the First Saturday of every month Communions of reparation be made in atonement for the sins of the world. If my wishes are fulfilled, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, then Russia will spread her errors throughout the world, bringing new wars and persecution of the Church; the good will be martyred and the Holy Father will have much to suffer; certain nations will be annihilated. But in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted, and the world will enjoy a period of peace…

    Matthew 12
    41 “The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas here.”

    To whom was the conditional request made?
    The First Saturday Communions of reparation are these enshrined?

    THE SINS ARE OF THE WORLD and if the above is responded to THE WORLD WILL ENJOY A PERIOD OF PEACE.

  29. Roger says:

    Father Hermann’s and the Fate of His mother is a link between the Fathers Vocation (His Love Of God and Neighbour ) and Heavens loving care of Fathers Mother (He looks after Our Own if we look after His)

    There are times when I think members here should bow their heads in shame especially when the Peace Of the World Was entrusted to the Obedience of lovingly fulfilling Heavens request.

    Understand what was asked at Fatima and the small Price of reparation that Heaven asked for and the Promise of Peace for the World revealing again God’s Love of This World
    John 3
    16 “For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.”

  30. toadspittle says:

    “..revealing again God’s Love of This World..”
    If God loves this world, as you suggest, Roger, why are we all, almost daily, beset with incomprehensible miseries such as earthquakes, volcanoes, diseases like malaria, and cancer, and apparent unnterest in our dismal circumstances by God hmself?

    If God didn’t want the world to be as horrible as this, it wouldn’t be.
    He could have fixed it.
    Fixed, for instance, what happened to six millon Jews in Europe during World WarTwo.
    What did God do for them? Zip.
    Why shoud they thank Him? And yet they do, or so it seems.
    ….Because the Jews aren’t Catholics, maybe? Just cunning and pernicious?
    i(Don’t be so dopey, Toad. God loves Jews. We all know that.)

  31. Roger says:

    “..In the Incarnation Christ “laid the first foundations” of the Church. He began to build it in His Public Life. He finished it and it was complete at the moment He died. Pentecost was but the manifestation of the completed Church which had already been in existence for fifty days. ..”
    ” .. It is through the Mystical Body of Christ that Christ distributes the graces of that redemption to all mankind. What is the end of the Church? It is, of course, the sanctification of all mankind ..”
    “..In the concrete, the goal of the Church’s activity is the Church itself. Christ aims all the instrumentality of His Mystical
    Body precisely at the upbuilding of that Body itself, as He “brings it to live His own supernatural life.” His purpose is that “the whole Body of the Church, no less than the individual members, should bear resemblance” to Him, that the entire Church “may portray in her whole life, both external and interior, a most faithful image of Christ.” Thus the sanctification for which the Church was born is precisely the sanctity of the Whole Christ, just as the Whole Christ in glory is to be its eternal consummation ..”
    Since 19th century the Church has been attacked by Naturalism and Rationalism which have succeeded in devastating non-Catholic religious thought from within her. It is the supernaturalness of God’s Kingdom on earth which has become the central target of the assault on God’s truth.

    Read again August 20, 2017 at 19:22 because it is the Immaculate whose Fiat is the reason for the Incarnation and the Church.

    Our Lady at Fatima answers Toad’s bemoaning of lack of Peace in 20th century and the world can be simplified as follows
    “.. ATONEMENT FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD..”
    “.. IF MY WISHES ARE FULFILLED.. .. THERE WILL BE PEACE..”
    “.. IF NOT ..”

    The present global battle is the struggle for the supernaturalness of God’s Church against false modernism.

  32. toadspittle says:

    “Our Lady at Fatima answers Toad’s bemoaning of lack of Peace in 20th century “
    There has never been peace in any century, Roger. I think it’s safe to say that.
    Humans have simply become more efficient at killing one another lately, thanks to the misuse of science. That’s all.
    The human race is collectively insane. Always has been.
    Strange, since it is made in the Image of God, we are told – and horses and elephants, who do not gas, shoot, and bomb one another – are not.

  33. Roger says:

    Our Lord came during a time of Peace (Augustus) within Roman Empire. Because He is the Prince Of Peace.

    The 100 years of permission to Satan (Hatred) is evidenced in the 20th Century where the development of more and more efficient means of Mass murder increased espcially (Birth Control)

    Pope Pius XII Brilliant Encyclical MYSTICI CORPORIS CHRISTI Dated 29th June 1943
    (Fr Malachy Martin on record refers to the Enthronement of Satan in the Pauline Chapel on 29th June 1963).
    For the English the 29th June 1893 Brompton Oratory when Cardinal Vaughan and the Bishops of England Consecrated England to St Peter and Our Lady (Her Dowry)).

    Fatima promised Peace and the Church’s destiny is to bring Peace to ALL Men through the Church (Mystical Body Of Christ). As you know, or should know, the Supernatural Life of the Church has been ignored, denied . its Dogmas refuted whilst the Naturalism and Human Rationalism has become Dogmatic in the world. So in rejecting Fatima the evidence is very clear there has been and will be NO Peace.

    Man in 1917 was told how to find Peace, rejected this and then blamed God because there is no Peace!!!!
    The Apostacy from the Church brings Wars, Murders, Hatred, and Division etc. .

  34. toadspittle says:

    “The 100 years of permission to Satan (Hatred) is evidenced in the 20th Century ..”
    Who gave Satan permission, Roger? God? If so, it’s all His fault, isn’t it?

  35. Roger says:

    Man gave Satan permission Toad!! Its called Free Will.
    Aren’t you familiar with the attempts to destroy the Church both from the outside and the inside
    Masonry had climbed to within the top of the Church by end of 19th century!!
    I remind of those encyclicals against Masonry and Socialism, promulgating the Rosary , st michael prayers etc.. why do you think these were created?
    The Atheism unleashed in France in the Reign Of Terror? Shall I go on!!
    Man Gave Satan permission!!

  36. JabbaPapa says:

    We do indeed know the timeless teaching of the Church, that “outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus)

    This dogma refers to the Church Triumphant — it is a doctrine about the afterlife, teaching that there is only one Heaven and that those in Heaven, the Saints and Angels, constitute the Church.

    The doctrine was declared against an early Heresy trying to suggest that multiple heavens existed, segregated by religion.

  37. JabbaPapa says:

    If God loves this world, as you suggest, Roger, why are we all, almost daily, beset with incomprehensible miseries such as earthquakes, volcanoes, diseases like malaria, and cancer, and apparent unnterest in our dismal circumstances by God hmself?

    If these questions have been answered multiple times already in this forum, why is it that toad keeps on repeating them ?

    and

  38. toadspittle says:

    Well, I watched the Rocking Scouser Rasputin again, Jabba.
    Very entertaining and utterly unconvincing – as you are no doubt aware.
    I’d say more, but I’d only be accused of repeating myself.

  39. JabbaPapa says:

    Whether it’s convincing or not, toad, and you’re doing yourself a disservice by not watching the Dr Peterson lecture, could you please at the very least attempt to stop asking those questions solely from a position of dogmatic atheist cliché but instead from whatever dialogue with the question of Free Will within a material reality might interest you ?

    Instead of this non-stop dialogue des sourds without rhyme nor reason ?

  40. GC says:

    Toad: I’d say more, but I’d only be accused of repeating myself.

    Oh perish the thought!

  41. toadspittle says:

    Highly recommended. Nothing to do with God. (Except that everything is.)

    I did watch Peterson, Jabba, and was hugely impressed, and have watched other talks of his since, and will watch any stuff by him I can find.. He is excellent. (In my arrogant opinion) Which is to say no more than I share his prejudices.

    And this:

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