Francis is Using the Communists, Not the Other Way Around

Written by Jason Morgan

Cardinal Joseph Zen (Getty) has accused the Vatican of ‘selling out the Church in China’

When Jorge Mario Bergoglio was elected supreme pontiff in March of 2013, the world seemed to expect a softening of Pope Benedict XVI’s crystalline, intellectual style. At first, the new Pope Francis’ many gaffes and faux pas seemed part of this more relaxed approach to the papacy. I and many others pigeonholed Francis as a theological and mental featherweight, an affable simpleton whose papacy would be much more about embracing children and washing the feet of the faithful, and much less about issuing encyclicals and wading into the debate arena with the secularist academics.

But as time went on, a pattern emerged. Francis was not the smiling dunce that he appeared to be. He was, and remains, a coldly calculating man, who uses his so-called “slips of the tongue” to befuddle the conservative opposition within the Vatican and undermine any attempt to rein him in. Francis is no fool. He is Machiavellian, and he has been running circles around us for five years.

And who is this “dictator pope,” what does he want? It should be clear by now that Bergoglio is an arch Modernist, that is to say, a heresiarch who seems to hold no Catholic dogma sacred. To Francis, everything is fair game. He upends everything, glibly remarking that “time is bigger than space”. (Translation: I will make the mess, but somebody else will have to clean it up.) But Francis is not a bull in a china shop; he is a sniper with a powerful scope. One by one, he is picking off his targets. Traditional marriage, blasted away with a tiny footnote in a poorly-written document. Unmistakable teaching against sodomy, laid low by five little words uttered seemingly absent-mindedly on an airplane. The Council of Trent, murdered by a postage stamp. Even Hell, it now seems, has been shot out of the dogmatic picture. The list goes on and on and on. Francis is not a buffoon pottering about breaking things in the chapel. He is systematically destroying whatever is left of the Church that Christ founded. He is, in a word, Modernism exemplified.

Of all Bergoglio’s outrages against the Magisterium, none so neatly illustrates his plan to end Catholicism as his ongoing, slow-motion pas de deux with the Chinese Communist Party. How can Pope Francis be so naïve? we read time and again. Doesn’t he know what the Communists are capable of? Doesn’t he remember Cardinal Mindszenty, Fr. Walter Ciszek, Patriarch Tikhon, the Spanish Civil War, Vietnam? Of course he does. The deal being hammered out between Beijing and the Vatican is not a foolhardy attempt by an open-handed pontiff to save the Church in China—it is a move to end it.

It is not hyperbole to say that, even including the early Christians, few have suffered for the Faith as have the faithful in China. My sources inside the People’s Republic tell me of disappeared bishops, arrested parishioners, confiscated church buildings, houndings by the police, surveillance, intimidation, and character assassination. But one hardly needs to resort to espionage to know what the Chinese government does to Catholics, or to anyone who dissents from the party line. Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese lawyer who was forced into exile for trying to get the Chinese government to stop performing brutal ninth-month forced abortions on women who had violated the “one-child policy,” says from his new home in the United States that Francis should never sign the deal that is on the table. Joseph Cardinal Zen Ze-kiun, the Hero of Hong Kong who has repeatedly taken to the public square to defy Beijing’s designs on one of the last outposts of relative freedom in continental Asia, has urged Francis to stop negotiating with the Communist authorities. Websites in the US and Europe are now thronged with articles and essays pleading with the Vatican to fight against Beijing, and not to capitulate to it. Steven Mosher, the China expert who runs the pro-life Population Research Institute, has been saying for decades that China is the worst offender against the Catholic Faith, and against basic human dignity, on the planet.

But things look different to Bergoglio. He has no use for such sound council. What is precisely galling about the Chinese Catholics is that they are Catholic. The Catholics who stayed with the legitimate, underground Church—and did not go over to the sham church with “clergy” appointed by the Communist Party—have kept the Faith. They are true believers. They frequently meet martyrdom for their fidelity. Francis wants to cut this out root and branch.

What does he want instead? What do all Modernists want? Francis wants to put a stop to revealed religion and make the Church an adjunct to the state. He is a garden-variety globalist who thinks One World Government will finally solve the problems of mankind. (Globalist Extraordinaire and high priest of the abortion lobby Jeffrey Sachs has been Francis’ frequent guest at the Vatican, often headlining events with the Holy Father and even hosting them from time to time.) When Francis’ lieutenant, Vatican bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, said that China was “best implementing the social doctrine of the Church,” he wasn’t kidding. And he wasn’t alone. Francis—who said nothing in public to rebuke or even to contradict Sorondo—agrees with him completely.

The above picture was taken recently at a sham-Catholic, “official, government-approved” church in Nanjing. The sign in front of the church touts the patriotic activities going on there, including building “core socialist values” and inculcating “patriotism”. There is no mention of Jesus or the sacraments, but the stone pillar at the bottom center is a bangmu, in this case the huabiao totem standing in front of the Gate of Heavenly Peace in Beijing. (The same Gate of Heavenly Peace where the “People’s Liberation Army” opened fire with machine guns and tanks into a crowd of unarmed civilians in 1989.)

It represents the power of the emperor, traditionally known in China as the “son of heaven,” and, by extension, the power of the state. The symbolism is perverse and entirely intentional. The Cross of Christ, where hopes of a political messiah (should have) died forever, is replaced with a cross-like totem to apotheosized statecraft. Just as Francis has turned the Vatican into an adjunct of the radically anti-human environmentalist fringe movement, and has reliably weighed in on the Marxist side of every political debate he enters, he wants to expand the Church-as-handmaiden-to-world-socialism franchise into China, which openly carries on that Leninist tradition in the twenty-first century.

This time, the deal comes with direct insults and blasphemies against Our Lord. Socialist trampling of religion, but with Chinese characteristics.

Just twenty years ago, it seemed that Communism was finally gasping its last. Now, a dozen winters after the death of the pope who dedicated his pontificate to fighting murderous collectivism, his successor once removed is prepared to give it his blessing.

See Cardinal Joseph Zen COMMENT on this situation

Jason Morgan (PhD, Japanese history) teaches history, politics, philosophy, and language at Reitaku University in Chiba, Japan. He studied Chinese language and history at the University of Hawaii, the University of Wisconsin, and Yunnan University in Kunming, PRC.

[Published in Remnant Articles]

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34 Responses to Francis is Using the Communists, Not the Other Way Around

  1. SaintlySages says:

    No matter how dire the situation may seem, we can with absolute confidence take solace in the unequivocal, steadfast promise of Christ: that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church (Matt 16:18).

  2. Crow says:

    This is so depressing

  3. People need to realize he is a puppet. Everything he is saying and doing is in support of Vatican 2. This is the real problem, Vatican 2 was a weapon of MASS destruction and it took the faithful with it. He hurls insults at the Sedevacantist community and the more “traditionalist” Catholics who don’t agree with his agenda. HE IS NOT POPE, you have to be a Catholic to be pope. Everything goes back to Vatican 2 and the new religion of the Novus Ordo. They are using Catholic institutions, vestments, procedures, to dupe everypne who claims the name Catholic. Find the mass and learn the Faith as presented from the Council of Trent. I suggest Bishop Sandborn and Fr Anthony Cekada. http://www.novusordowatch.org

  4. Christ said the gates of Hell wpuld not prevail against His Church. He never stated how big it would be. Look at the life of Christ, and compare it to the mystical body of the Church which is still out there, underground keeping the true Faith. Keep the Faith!

  5. johnhenrycn says:

    I’m not qualified to pronounce Pope Francis unworthy of the papacy – although he himself seems blasé and to not care much for his title as such – but I can say without calumny that those serious thinkers inside the Church pressing for his formal *filial* correction have my fervent support. I need to find a way of saying so financially, perhaps by redirecting my international church donations to authentic Catholic organizations at the forefront of the resistance to the destruction of doctrine and sound practice which is clearly now underway. Whilst praying in good faith for his health and for his intentions, I hope Francis’s time as pope is coming to a close.

  6. Crow says:

    I second that,JH. I wonder about the evidence of Bella Dodd to the House of UnAmerican Activities. Are these people the result of the operation she described?

  7. kathleen says:

    I wholeheartedly second JH’s comment too… though I have to admit that I cannot pray for the Pope Francis’ “intentions”; I’m too uncertain how rightfully Catholic those intentions might be! Instead I pray for his conversion, that he should make an about-turn from his Modernist mindset and destruction of traditions, to then safeguard and defend the Church’s holy Deposit of Faith.
    Yes, I know, this would take a miracle – but we should pray with faith for this “miracle”, as Our Lord instructed us to. (Matthew 17:20)

    @ Crow,
    (IMHO) I do truly believe that “these people” are EXACTLY that: the product, or “result”, of the infiltration of anti-Catholic Marxist ideas into the seminaries through the Satanical plan of the Communists to break the resistance of their greatest enemy, the Holy Catholic Church. (They knew that by poisoning the minds of future priests, the Church would fall!) Bella Dodd gave public witness and proof to the West of these macabre plans, but even in the West the Communists had their agents to curtail the impact of these terrifying revelations.

  8. geoffkiernan says:

    JH, you have taken another step on your journey

  9. JabbaPapa says:

    Quite apart from the very parlous state of the secularised “official” “church” in China, which is basically anti-christian in both nature and purpose in its State-imposed hierarchy (which really, is just another example of the Gallicanist heresy that General Franco in Spain was attracted to and Henry VIII Tudor in England implemented), to try and blame Pope Francis for some actions by some Chinese Communist potentates and some of their political servants in the Chinese clergy is a bit much.

    Indeed, the recent Letter of the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Placuit Deo, condemning heresies, explicitly approved by the Pope for publication, shows to us that it is clear that these socialist or communistic or State-centric ideologies (and the false values of the here and now that they promise) are antithetical to Catholic Faith, and heretical against it :

    6. Regarding these aspirations, faith in Christ teaches, rejecting all claims of self-realization, that they can be fulfilled completely only if God Himself makes it possible, by drawing us toward Himself. The total salvation of the person does not consist of the things that the human person can obtain by oneself, such as possessions, material well-being, knowledge or abilities, power or influence on others, good reputation or self-satisfaction. No created thing can totally satisfy us because God has destined us for communion with Him; our hearts will be restless until they rest in Him. “The ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine”. Revelation, in this manner, does not limit itself to announcing salvation as an answer to any particular contemporary desire. “If redemption, on the contrary, were to be judged or measured according to the existential needs of human beings, how could we avoid the suspicion of having simply created a Redeemer God in the image of our own need?”

  10. johnhenrycn says:

    Kathleen finds it impossible to pray for Pope Francis’s intentions. Unless one believes Francis is an anti-pope or a false one, not merely a poor one, they must pray for his intentions that are (as stated by another CP&Ser recently) consonant with Divine Will. Whilst the reign of Francis is a lamentable one, he is the Pope. I do not look forward to the reign of Charles III, but when that sad day arrives, I shall do my duty and bend my knee.

    I submit it is not permissible for Catholics to pray merely that the eyes of Francis be opened to the Truth. Prayers for his intentions are not optional.

  11. kathleen says:

    @ JH

    It is not so much that I believe the intentions of Pope Francis are not in consonance with the Divine Will, or better said, that they actively work against the DW*, but that his intentions (at least according to most of the short videos I’ve seen where he reports his monthly “prayer intentions”) are more to do with environmental issues or general universal hopes for things like world peace, etc. IOW, they don’t appear to be particularly Catholic, despite the very many pressing needs of the Church in these times.

    * it would indeed be a dark day were the pope of the Holy Catholic Church to have intentions that oppose the Divine Will of God!

  12. kathleen says:

    @ Jabba

    Re your first paragraph above…
    Another of the paradoxes of Pope Francis… he approves the Letter, Placuit Deo, that condemns Communist and State-sponsored ideologies, but then insists on looking for a compromise with those radicals that profess them!

    It really does not excuse Pope Francis, or his appointed delegates, from trying to dialogue with a regime that is totally anti-Catholic, as is this atheistic Government of China. Card. Zen has repeatedly stated that no dialogue or compromise would ever be possible with these enemies of Christ. The state-approved ‘c’atholic church is a puppet they manipulate and control. Were any Catholic teaching (and there are many!) to run in opposition of the Government’s policies, they are to be disobeyed. The underground Catholics will not go along with this.

    That is the reason the underground true Catholic Church of China refuses to succumb to the Communists’ bullying tactics and remains apart, despite the hardships dealt out to them. They are the real hidden suffering Church the Pope and all members of the Church should be defending.

  13. johnhenrycn says:

    Well then, Kathleen, it sadly* appears we agree.

    *You are nowhere near as much fun as John Kehoe**

    **Don’t mind me, Jack 🙂

  14. johnhenrycn says:

    Geoff (16:30) – You say I’ve taken another step on my journey.
    Thankee, Geoff, and yes, I’ve just received a pristine 1982 reprint of Banjo Paterson’s The Man From Snowy River – first published by Angus & Robertson, Publishers, Australia, 1921 – a book of classic antipodean poetry. It cost me one penny plus postage.The flyleaf has an inscription: “To Sue With Love Dan Melbourne 1982.” I especially enjoyed the third to last poem, The Maori’s Wool, which begins:

    The Maoris are a mighty race – the finest ever known;
    Before the missionaries came they worshipped wood and stone;
    They went to war and fought like fiends, and when the war was done;
    They pacified their conquered foes by eating every one.

    There’s a woman – very attractive – in my parish named Sue. I might mail this to her. (Joke)

  15. kathleen says:

    @ JH

    You are nowhere near as much fun as John Kehoe

    Hahaha 😆

    So sorry to hear that, you old rogue 😉.
    Missing your bun fights with dreary old Mr Kehoe, are you? And then seeing him spluttering with rage and frustration when his “buns” aimed at you never hit their targets!

    Don’t worry, I think he still looks in here daily so he will see your message.
    We have a large amount of traffic coming our way from the Emerald Isle (considering its small population). And besides, the numbers of comments in our “trash” section, where all Kehoe’s comments go direct, grows continually (though I never ever look in there myself), so he is surely still composing his vitriolic unread venom at me. Poor old man!

    I forgive you, Mr Kehoe.

    But I feel compelled to add… “Get a life!”

  16. JabbaPapa says:

    Dear kathleen, I think you’ve not read Gaudete et Exsultate closely enough — there’s a subtle, yet definite, condemnation of the ideology that Christianity, in its works of Charity, might be “communist”, and I think it might even be worthwhile to read this — http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19840806_theology-liberation_en.html (by Cardinal Ratzinger) — in the light of the two most recent documents.

    Gaudete et Exsultate is a very good document, despite the fact that it has also the odd clumsiness and occasional Franciscan foot-in-mouth. (his misunderstanding of contemplative virtue is particularly bizarre in such an overtly contemplative document !!)

    However, he does not lack self-awareness :

    22. To recognize the word that the Lord wishes to speak to us through one of his saints, we do not need to get caught up in details, for there we might also encounter mistakes and failures. Not everything a saint says is completely faithful to the Gospel; not everything he or she does is authentic or perfect. What we need to contemplate is the totality of their life, their entire journey of growth in holiness, the reflection of Jesus Christ that emerges when we grasp their overall meaning as a person.[26]

    24. May you come to realize what that word is, the message of Jesus that God wants to speak to the world by your life. Let yourself be transformed. Let yourself be renewed by the Spirit, so that this can happen, lest you fail in your precious mission. The Lord will bring it to fulfilment despite your mistakes and missteps, provided that you do not abandon the path of love but remain ever open to his supernatural grace, which purifies and enlightens.

    Too few people understand this about the Saints, which must necessarily apply also to all of the Prophets, and Apostles, and Evangelists, and priests, and Bishops, and Popes — with the single exception among mortals of Saint Mary, mother of God — whereas some have a tendency to expect some manner of perfection from our Popes, which is unreasonable, despite (or perhaps because of) the exceptional quality of the three Pontificates immediately preceding the current one.

    And :

    117. It is not good when we look down on others like heartless judges, lording it over them and always trying to teach them lessons. That is itself a subtle form of violence. Saint John of the Cross proposed a different path: “Always prefer to be taught by all, rather than to desire teaching even the least of all”. And he added advice on how to keep the devil at bay: “Rejoice in the good of others as if it were your own, and desire that they be given precedence over you in all things; this you should do wholeheartedly. You will thereby overcome evil with good, banish the devil, and possess a happy heart. Try to practise this all the more with those who least attract you. Realize that if you do not train yourself in this way, you will not attain real charity or make any progress in it”.

    Gaudete et Exsultate is the first truly defining (and most defining) document of this Pontificate, and the first from the Holy See (with Placuit Deo) to clearly address the problems that exist in the presence of these social media, and in the imperfection of internet evangelisation in all of its forms, and in the temptations towards heresies that they constitute.

    Little wonder that the authors of some of the most radical ultra-traddy websites and blogs seem to be filled with such hatred towards both of these texts !! (the knee-jerk condemnation by the Vox Cantoris blog of Placuit Deo is, simply, an overt declaration of heresies, Error, false doctrines, and Modernism ; and pure vanity — I am saddened by these grievous errors)

    And I simply love footnote 101 :

    I recommend praying the prayer attributed to Saint Thomas More: “Grant me, O Lord, good digestion, and also something to digest. Grant me a healthy body, and the necessary good humour to maintain it. Grant me a simple soul that knows to treasure all that is good and that doesn’t frighten easily at the sight of evil, but rather finds the means to put things back in their place. Give me a soul that knows not boredom, grumbling, sighs and laments, nor excess of stress, because of that obstructing thing called ‘I’. Grant me, O Lord, a sense of good humour. Allow me the grace to be able to take a joke and to discover in life a bit of joy, and to be able to share it with others”.

    And blimey, there’s even a clear expression in the text of the Pope’s love of the 1962 Roman Missal. Footnote [70] From the patristic era, the Church has valued the gift of tears, as seen in the fine prayer “Ad petendam compunctionem cordis”. It reads: “Almighty and most merciful God, who brought forth from the rock a spring of living water for your thirsting people: bring forth tears of compunction from our hardness of heart, that we may grieve for our sins, and, by your mercy, obtain their forgiveness” (cf. Missale Romanum, ed. typ. 1962, p. [110]).

    More :

    161. Hence, we should not think of the devil as a myth, a representation, a symbol, a figure of speech or an idea. This mistake would lead us to let down our guard, to grow careless and end up more vulnerable. The devil does not need to possess us. He poisons us with the venom of hatred, desolation, envy and vice. When we let down our guard, he takes advantage of it to destroy our lives, our families and our communities. “Like a roaring lion, he prowls around, looking for someone to devour” (1 Pet 5:8).

    And then some try and accuse the Pope of denying the reality of damnations and Hell !!

    But : 158. The Christian life is a constant battle. We need strength and courage to withstand the temptations of the devil and to proclaim the Gospel. This battle is sweet, for it allows us to rejoice each time the Lord triumphs in our lives.

    159. We are not dealing merely with a battle against the world and a worldly mentality that would deceive us and leave us dull and mediocre, lacking in enthusiasm and joy. Nor can this battle be reduced to the struggle against our human weaknesses and proclivities (be they laziness, lust, envy, jealousy or any others). It is also a constant struggle against the devil, the prince of evil.

    My favourite sentence in the whole exhortation though, is :

    132. (…) It is an unshakeable trust in the faithful Witness who gives us the certainty that nothing can “separate us from the love of God” (Rom 8:39).

    This is the nature of Faith itself.

  17. johnhenrycn says:

    Thanks, Jabba. Now I know what it feels like to be run over by a Mack Truck.

  18. geoffkiernan says:

    ” Guadete et Exsultate is a very good document despite that it has also the odd clumsiness and the occasional Franciscan ‘foot in mouth’. His misunderstanding of contemplative virtue is particularly bizarre in such a overtly contemplative document.” …… I agree with you. His misunderstanding of the contemplative virtue is particularly bizarre. For clumsy, insert confusion. For bizarre, insert diabolical.

    So just how clumsy and bizarre does a document have to be before it is adjudged to be a complete farce and unworthy of consideration by anyone with expectations of a responsible document by the Vicar of Christ on Earth no less? Like Francis you shoot yourself in the foot.
    Any suggestion that a document can be a good document and still retain such inanities, suggest to me that the author of such comments is equally clumsy and bizarre.

  19. JabbaPapa says:

    suggest to me that the author of such comments

    Thank you for yet another lovely ad hominem.

  20. geoffkiernan says:

    Sorry Jabba but there is no other way to say it. 1st you say it is a good document and moments later it is clumsy and bizarre

  21. JabbaPapa says:

    Sorry Jabba

    No you’re not — save your hypocrisy for those who might be fooled by it.

  22. mmvc says:

    Sorry Jabba, but…

    Figure of speech rather than ‘hypocrisy’ I would have thought…

  23. JabbaPapa says:

    L’un n’empêche certainement pas l’autre.

  24. mmvc says:

    Fine, we’ll just have to make allowances for your tendency to attribute the worst motives… as well as for your linguistic memory lapses. ;o)

  25. JabbaPapa says:

    Fine, we’ll just have to make allowances for your tendency to attribute the worst motives

    As you permit the worst motives of my crass accuser, you mean ?

    OK

    But in that case, stop censoring what my good friend the toad might seek to write in here, as he is by no means more heterodox than the geoff.

  26. JabbaPapa says:

    My impression is that those running this website are allowing it to be destroyed by internet trolls who have no desire of true Catholic Faith.

  27. johnhenrycn says:

    Who are these “internet trolls”? Mary Salmond? Mrs Avila? Name names or give it a rest.

  28. JabbaPapa says:

    Only name I’m certain of is “geoffkiernan” — a more destructive internet ideology than his is hard to imagine.

  29. johnhenrycn says:

    Tum-te-tum ©

    No formal identification of internet trolls on this blog by Jabba, then? Thought not. Mary Salmond and Mrs Avila – you are both free to go. The desk sergeant has your belongings.

    But, Jabba, as you seem to be acquiring an interest in “true Catholic Faith”, I thought you might like to put aside Gaudete et Exsultate for a week or two, and instead pick up the new Baronius Press editions of these two very treasured dogmatic works, to which I was alerted yesterday:
    Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma
    and
    The Catechism of the Council of Trent
    …both of which no doubt already grace your bookshelves in soft cover versions – as they do mine – but these ones are cosmetically the very best, and your children, or nephews and nieces, will be grateful to inherit them in the fullness of time.

  30. johnhenrycn says:

    So sorry Jabba: I didn’t see your formal accusation of Geoff (19:50) before I posted the above (^). By all rights though, shouldn’t we add Robert John to our blacklist?

  31. mmvc says:

    …as he (the toad) is by no means more heterodox than the geoff.

    This truly makes me wonder what you might have been imbibing of late…

  32. kathleen says:

    Jabba @ 08:52 on 22/4

    I have taken a long time to answer this long comment you directed to me because, to be honest, I have been puzzled by it.

    First it didn’t seem to have anything to do with my previous comment to you – which was about certain Francis-appointed Vatican officials’s stab-in-the-back to be soon dealt to the faithful Catholics of the underground Church in China – but instead your comment concentrates on a Papal document (GeE) that I never even mentioned. (Not on this thread, at least.) Maybe you brought up the subject because of my words to JH expressing difficulty praying for the Pope’s intentions? Surely not a surprising “difficulty” owing to the enormous amount of conflicting evidence we now have of this Pope? (I pray for the pope of course; that is the duty of all Catholics.)*

    Secondly, although you have certainly quoted some of the best passages of the Exhortation, if just a small part of this lengthy document is “bizarre” – and more than that, a clear disdain for one of the strongest pillars of the whole Church, silence and monastic contemplative prayer – then is it not a natural consequence that Catholics will begin to question the whole thing? It only takes one drop of poison to, well… to “sicken” the whole mind!

    After quoting no.161 of GeE where he talks about the devil, you say:

    ”And then some try and accuse the Pope of denying the reality of damnations and Hell !!”

    Of course they do! Francis himself in Amoris Laetitia says that no one can be condemned forever!! This is heretical and contradicts Our Blessed Lord’s own Words in the Gospel… although his defenders have tried once more (unsuccessfully IMO) to give it other irenic interpretations. And there are plenty of other examples to make us wonder (in horror) if he really does believe in this Catholic dogmatic teaching!

    132. (…) It is an unshakeable trust in the faithful Witness who gives us the certainty that nothing can “separate us from the love of God” (Rom 8:39).

    Be careful not to take these words of St Paul out of context! Paul was referring to suffering, persecution, even Martyrdom… nothing the world can throw at us can “separate us from the love of God” indeed.
    But unrepentant mortal sin can and will, separate us from God. Forever!
    That is also part of the “nature of Faith” – if we insist on abusing God’s constant knocking at the doors of our heart, disobeying His Divine Law and the Commandments, and His abundant Mercy and Love.

    * I watched parts of those very disturbing videos recommended by tradcat4christ, but I do not feel it is up to us to decide this terrifying prospect of a “false pope” or sedevacantism! We must cling to what we know is the true teaching of the Magisterium. Future Councils of the Holy Catholic Church will put everything fully back on track again.

  33. JabbaPapa says:

    as you seem to be acquiring an interest in “true Catholic Faith”

    /roll-eyes/

  34. JabbaPapa says:

    Dear kathleen,

    First it didn’t seem to have anything to do with my previous comment to you

    Little of what I write for your intention is designed as any tit-for-tat. Mostly, when I write for you it is because I trust in your will and your ability and your God-given Graces to make of my writings what you and the Spirit may will.

    What we have, you and I, are conversations ; not arguments. So they cannot follow the rules of typical public debate.

    if just a small part of this lengthy document is “bizarre” – and more than that, a clear disdain for one of the strongest pillars of the whole Church, silence and monastic contemplative prayer – then is it not a natural consequence that Catholics will begin to question the whole thing?

    Precisely why I myself pointed to that very problem in the document !!

    But they shouldn’t — just because one particular point in some document is wrongful does not thereby thrust wrongfulness onto all of its other statements.

    You don’t throw out the whole of an engineering document just because one paragraph is dangerously wrong — instead, you keep all of the good bits, and revise the bad one.

    There are some atrociously bad ideas in the Summa by Aquinas, but do we not still hold it in the highest regard ? (which Gaudete et Exsultate will of course never enjoy)

    After my first conversion, I had the exact same misunderstanding and disdain of the contemplative Virtues as the Pope seems to have, so that I do understand the reasoning that can have led him to make such wrongful statements — those with experience of God’s immanent Graces towards us can have difficulty with the transcendental ones — a firm Faith in God’s Will to help us in the here and now is of course an implicitly transcendental one, but it is not for us to blame those who do not have this understanding.

    Francis himself in Amoris Laetitia says that no one can be condemned forever!!

    IIRC he was speaking of worldly human relationships, not the Last Things.

    The ability of some to see nothing but the worst in the publications of the Holy See is the true source of the damage that is being done in these times to the Orthodoxy and the Catholicity of the Catholic Faith.

    And to clarify, those “some” are not just one particular faction, but all of those who have decided to adhere to whichever group setting themselves as ideologically apart from the Church of Rome.

    Be careful not to take these words of St Paul out of context

    Thank you, kathleen, and don’t.

    The only reason why I did not put a similar caveat as you have (wisely) given into my own post is that it was already longer than I hoped for.

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