The Change in the Liturgy: the real reason men fell away from the Church post-Vatican II

Nobody can deny that the exodus of Mass-attending Catholics from the Church in the wake of the changes applied after Vatican II (and very notably the exodus of men in particular) has been a disaster for families and the whole life of the Church. In a recent article by Fr Richard Heilman (ROMAN CATHOLIC MAN) posted here about searching for good strategies to “reel men back into the Church”, one root cause of the whole original collapse was brushed over: the change in the way we pray affects the way we believe!

One of our great regular commentators on CP&S from Australia, ‘Crow’, has once again hit the nail on the head, this time with the [slightly edited] insightful analysis below of the sorry situation once the faitjful were deprived of the holy Traditional Latin Mass . Thank you Crow.


The description of the reduction of those tenets of the faith [in the aftermath of V2] which are the basic structure show the consequence, not the cause. The cause is the infliction of the Novus Ordo Mass upon the whole of the Catholic world and the suppression of the traditional Latin Mass.

Cardinal Ottoviani said, at the time of Vatican II, that if the planned changes went through, all we would have left attending Mass would be women and children. The Novus Ordo Mass didn’t so much as feminize the Mass as ‘demasculinize’ it. It made room for the abuses of which we are all aware, but, more insidiously, it allowed for the creep of the intrusion of the banal – hence the track suits and thongs (flip flops to Americans) and propping up of doctrine by avoiding the supernatural. The supernatural is avoided because it is excised from the liturgy. The liturgy is amputated from its historical narrative in the Jewish temple and the culmination of the Jewish tradition in the Word of God in Christ is lost. The Novus Ordo presents the Christian Mass as an entity with no past and the meaning is therefore reduced to what is capable of being understood with no study, no knowledge of history and no effort. It is therefore of no value in leading the faithful into the divine mysteries because the Mass itself has been flattened into a secular, shallow version of itself – basically, protestantised.

When it comes to Protestant services, ironically, the protestants try to draw as much as they can from the Catholic tradition, without attributing it – they call the past, pre-Reformation traditions they pick out as theirs, ‘Christian ‘ and the ones they choose to disallow ‘Catholic.’ It is ironic that they seek to imbue their faith (a recent faith), with a history appropriated from Catholic tradition when the Catholic Church itself attempted to junk her 2,000 year history and impose a committee-formed liturgy upon us by coercion.

There is a simple answer to the issue of the exit of men from the faith – it is the traditional Latin Mass. A visit to any traditional parish will reveal a large number of healthy, courteous faithful young men (those whom are best described by some people as ‘rigid’). Similarly, a visit to a traditional Latin Mass will reveal very few, or short-lived, exhibitions of dress in thongs and trackkies, lack of respect for the Real Presence, or those factors which have operated in numerous surveys by those Vatican II fans amongst the hierarchy who are looking to implement the ‘new evangelisation ‘.

Quite frankly, if you have the real thing, if you have the Truth, you just need to Be, you don’t need to evangelise like a Protestant. The protestantisation of the liturgy has been followed by a Protestant attitude to ‘evangelising’. It is interesting that the top hierarchy of the Vatican (who do not appear, at a glance, to be holy and faithful men), disapprove of the traditional Latin Mass – I wonder why that would be so?

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4 Responses to The Change in the Liturgy: the real reason men fell away from the Church post-Vatican II

  1. John A. Kehoe says:

    I* am so very grateful to Kathleen for bringing this post to us. I* am in entire agreement that the way that the new Mass is often celebrated almost seems calculated to repel younger people in general and men in particular.

    The hymnody introduced following the Council is particularly painful, with trite songs badly performed replacing chant or the dignified silence of a low Mass.

    It is telling that the old Mass, said in Latin, won continents for the Faith, while the new vernacular Mass is losing them.

    * You know the drill, John didn’t write this


  2. mmvc says:

    * You know the drill, John didn’t write this

    To whom it may concern ;o) : Very well put!


  3. John A. Kehoe says:

    To all of you who write for and comment on CP&S, may I* take this time away from my devotions to the incarnation of Our Lord and Saviour to wish you a Merry and blessed Christmas. I pray that the New Year may be happy and joyful for you all.

    * Nope, John didn’t write this either, but we wish him a Merry Christmas in return.


  4. John A. Kehoe says:

    I* thought of this post when I* was re-reading this passage earlier today; it seems to encapsulate the spirituality that has arisen following the council:

    JESUS HATH NOW many lovers of his heavenly kingdom, but few bearers of his cross.
    He hath many desirous of comfort, but few of tribulation.
    He findeth many companions of his table, but few of his abstinence.
    All desire to rejoice with him, few are willing to endure anything for him, or with him.
    Many follow Jesus unto the breaking of bread; but few to the drinking of the cup of his passion.
    Many reverence his miracles, few follow the ignominy of his cross.
    Many love Jesus so long as adversities do not happen.
    Many praise and bless him, so long as they receive comforts from him.
    But if Jesus hide himself, and leave them but a little while, they fall either into complaining, or into too much dejection of mind.”

    * Yep, John is still not the author, but it’s good of him to keep supplying us with comments to over-write.


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