Cardinal Newman on Popular Catholics

In the Gospel, Satan is called the “ruler of the world” (John 12:31).
Sculpture in the porch of the Cathedral of Strasbourg

HERE is another grave matter against you, that you are so well with the Protestants about you; I do not mean to say that you are not bound to cultivate peace with all men, and to do them all the offices of charity in your power. Of course you are, and if they respect, esteem, and love you, it redounds to your praise and will gain you a reward; but I mean more than this; they do not respect you, but they like you, because they think of you as of themselves, they see no difference between themselves and you. This is the very reason why they so often take your part, and assert or defend your political rights. Here again, there is a sense, of course, in which our civil rights may be advocated by Protestants without any reflection on us, and with honour to them. We are like others in this, that we are men; that we are members of the same state with them, subjects, contented subjects, of the same Sovereign; that we have a dependence on them, and have them dependent on us; that, like them, we feel pain when ill-used, and are grateful when well-treated. We need not be ashamed of a fellowship like this, and those who recognise it in us are generous in doing so. But we have much cause to be ashamed, and much cause to be anxious {396} what God thinks of us, if we gain their support by giving them a false impression in our persons of what the Catholic Church is, and what Catholics are bound to be, what bound to believe and to do; and is not this the case often, that the world takes up your interests, because you share its sins?

Nature is one with nature, grace with grace; the world then witnesses against you by being good friends with you; you could not have got on with the world so well, without surrendering something which was precious and sacred. The world likes you, all but your professed creed; distinguishes you from your creed in its judgment of you, and would fain separate you from it in fact. Men say, “These persons are better than their Church; we have not a word to say for their Church; but Catholics are not what they were; they are very much like other men now. Their Creed certainly is bigoted and cruel, but what would you have of them? You cannot expect them to confess this; let them change quietly, no one changes in public,—be satisfied that they are changed. They are as fond of the world as we are; they take up political objects as warmly; they like their own way just as well; they do not like strictness a whit better; they hate spiritual thraldom, and they are half ashamed of the Pope and his Councils. They hardly believe any miracles now, and are annoyed when their own brethren officiously proclaim them; they never speak of purgatory; they are sore about images; they avoid the subject of Indulgences; and they will not commit themselves to the doctrine of exclusive salvation. The Catholic doctrines are now mere badges of party. Catholics think for themselves and judge for themselves, just as we do; they are kept in their Church by a point of honour, and a reluctance at seeming to abandon a fallen cause.” {397}

Such is the judgment of the world, and you, my brethren, are shocked to hear it;—but may it not be, that the world knows more about you than you know about yourselves? “If ye had been of the world,” says Christ, “the world would love its own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.” So speaks Christ of His Apostles. How run His words when applied to you? “If ye be of the world, the world will love its own; therefore ye are of the world, and I have not chosen you out of the world, because the world loveth you.” Do not complain of the world’s imputing to you more than is true; those who live as the world give countenance to those who think them of the world, and seem to form but one party with them. In proportion as you put off the yoke of Christ, so does the world by a sort of instinct recognize you, and think well of you accordingly. Its highest compliment is to tell you that you disbelieve. Oh, my brethren, there is an eternal enmity between the world and the Church. The Church declares by the mouth of an Apostle, “Whoso will be a friend of the world, becomes an enemy of God;” and the world retorts, and calls the Church apostate, sorceress, Beelzebub, and Antichrist. She is the image and the mother of the predestinate, and, if you would be found among her children when you die, you must have part in her reproach while you live. Does not the world scoff at all that is glorious, all that is majestic, in our holy religion? Does it not speak against the special creations of God’s grace? Does it not disbelieve the possibility of purity and chastity? Does it not slander the profession of celibacy? Does it not deny the virginity of Mary? Does it not cast out her very name as evil? Does it not scorn her as a dead woman, whom you {398} know to be the Mother of all the living, and the great Intercessor of the faithful? Does it not ridicule the Saints? Does it not make light of their relics? Does it not despise the Sacraments? Does it not blaspheme the awful Presence which dwells upon our altars, and mock bitterly and fiercely at our believing that what it calls bread and wine is that very same Body and Blood of the Lamb which lay in Mary’s womb and hung on the Cross? What are we, that we should be better treated than our Lord, and His Mother, and His servants, and His works? Nay, what are we, if we be better treated, but friends of those who thus treat us well, and who ill-treat Him? (“Discourses to Mixed Congregations,” p. 165.)

Source: Newmanreader.org

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22 Responses to Cardinal Newman on Popular Catholics

  1. JessicaHof says:

    Whilst I agree with the last two paragraphs, I think things have so changed since Newman’s day that it would be extremely foolish for Christians to be divided. Those who ended up in schism after 451 did not realise they were preparing the way for Islam to conquer the heartland of Christianity; those who ended up in schism in 1054 did not realise they were preparing the way for the fall of the Eastern Empire; those who ended up in schism in the sixteenth century did not realise they prepared the way of secularisation.

    So yes, by all means, let us refuse to learn the lessons of our past and leave the king of this world a free pass; or we could try using our brains for a change – and some prayer and lots of humility – or is that too radical?

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  2. toadspittle says:

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    Jessica is right, (or so thinks Toad) that Newman was writing at a time when anti-Catholicism was still virulent in word and deed – unlike today, when most people are simply indifferent to it and indeed to Christianity in general (in Europe, at least.).
    But then, exactly what is Newman suggesting that the people he’s addressing ought to do?
    Reject all their Protestant friends? Clearly not from his opening sentences. So, then what?

    (Lovely “Debbie Reynolds,” 1950’s hair-do on the statue.)

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  3. JabbaPapa says:

    Compromises, dear Jessica, do not prevent division — they nurture it, because once you have compromised on any question, you will automatically create two or more groups having various opinions on that question, who will inevitably produce individuals accusing each other of being wrong, which can and very often will lead directly into schism.

    One need look no further for an example of the devastating ruin that compromise creates than the history of Anglicanism since the 1960s.

    There really can be no legitimate form of compromise regarding matters of Christian Faith and Spirituality.

    we have much cause to be ashamed, and much cause to be anxious what God thinks of us, if we gain their support by giving them a false impression in our persons of what the Catholic Church is, and what Catholics are bound to be, what bound to believe and to do

    The doctrine of the Faith cannot be negociated with, Revelation cannot be twisted about to suit the worldly desires of worldly men and women, the Truth of God is not defined by popular consultation.

    Nobody has ever said that Faith would be easy ; it’s only been said that the Faith is the Truth.

    If I had words that could convince you of the Truth of Catholicism, then you can be sure that I would use them — but that is not the shape of the Faith that I have been given.

    I can only ask you to trust me and believe me ; or if I do not convince, trust Cardinal Newman, trust our Lord the Christ, and trust God’s Revelation in harmony with Mary’s simplest statement : “yes“.

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  4. JabbaPapa says:

    Anti-Catholicism is of course widespread and rampant and virulent and militant in this day and age, which Toad may be somewhat oblivious of given that none of it is going to be directed against him personally.

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  5. JessicaHof says:

    I’m not disagreeing Jabba – just pointing out that the last three occasions on which Christians have concentrated on what divided them, the Enemy has taken full advantage.

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  6. JabbaPapa says:

    The Catholic Church is currently not exactly concentrating on what divides the Church from other Christians — rather the opposite, I would have thought !!!

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  7. toadspittle says:

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    “Anti-Catholicism is of course widespread and rampant and virulent and militant in this day and age, which Toad may be somewhat oblivious of given that none of it is going to be directed against him personally.”

    People have assumed Toad was a Catholic all his adult life, and still do – and yes, he has never been aware of any prejudice aginst him. On that account, anyway.

    Has Jabba ever been discriminated against for being a Catholic?
    He might be in Saudi Arabia, or somewhere awful like that. But not in Europe, Australaisa, or America, surely?
    And anyone who goes to the Middle East is asking for it.

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  8. JabbaPapa says:

    Has Jabba ever been discriminated against for being a Catholic?

    Of course.

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  9. toadspittle says:

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    Might we ask in what way?
    Or is that too personal?
    If so, I apologise.

    Is discrimination against catholics really a “matter of course” situation in the U.K?
    Never was for Toad, but that was up to 20 years ago, he has to say.
    Certainly, in the U.S. it’s a positive advantage to be a Catholic in many places.
    To admit you have no religion is to be regarded with deep suspicion, and you’ll never be president like that.

    This is interesting. More even than foreskins. What do others on here think?

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  10. piliersdelaterre says:

    It sounds like Lefebvre talking about the Modernists. Which is quite ironic, given that people ascribe inspiration for the 2nd Vatican Council to Newman.

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  11. kathleen says:

    Discrimination against Catholics is “alive and kicking” in Europe – at least in the European countries I know – though there are practically no incidents where one is in actual physical danger…… unlike in those creepy places mentioned by Toad.

    Catholics in Northern Ireland still complain of “discrimination”, although things have certainly improved in recent years.

    Spanish Catholics are becoming increasingly discriminated against, as a Spanish Catholic website I subscribe to is continually pointing out.

    Our annual Catholic pilgrimage from Paris to Chartres has been mocked and booed at by groups of French secularists and atheists, and on one occasion a bucket of dirty water was thrown over pilgrims from a balcony above. The charming old Italian man in our British chapter, who got the full force of it, laughed it off saying: “All for the greater glory of God!”
    (N.B. Considering the size of the pilgrimage and the long 105 km we have to walk, there are amazingly few incidents like these. Most French onlookers either cheer us on, or just stare in amazement.)

    The Thomas More Legal Centre in UK (where a friend of mine works) defends Catholics against many discriminatory reports. These include unfair dismissal from work or suchlike for refusing to comply with rules that go against our Faith; or for simply wearing or using Catholic symbols like the Crucifix; the attempt to enforce unCatholic ethics, etc. Here’s their website: http://www.thomasmorelegal.org/

    I have been the receiver of the odd ironic or unkind comment in shops, workplaces or suchlike, but nothing much to tell the truth. I think my worst personal experience was when I went to an Indian restaurant in London with a girlfriend a few years back. We both happened to be wearing crucifixes round our necks. The evil stares at our crosses, and the rapid talking in an obvious insulting manner (in a foreign language we didn’t understand) by a large group of men on the table next to ours was truly frightening! I don’t know whether they were Hindus or Muslims, but if looks could kill, we’d both have dropped dead on the spot!

    P.S. And don’t forget the innocent Christians who have been marched off to gaol for simply praying outside Abortion Clinics!! Whilst those that promote abortion go scott free!

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  12. JabbaPapa says:

    Might we ask in what way?
    Or is that too personal?

    No, but it’s utterly trivial compared to what has been suffered by others :

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  13. kathleen says:

    How right you are to remind us of this Jabba! Aid to the Church in Need’s reports on the continual persecution, murder and torture, and brutal attacks on Christians (most especially Catholics) throughout the world was, and still is, so unspeakable – that any discrimination we can talk of is, as you say, simply trivial.

    We cannot, no, we must not, forget our brothers and sisters in Christ who are right now suffering such terrible persecution, whilst the world looks on and does nothing about it!!

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  14. JabbaPapa says:

    Part 2 :

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  15. toadspittle says:

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    How odd. Toad is suggesting that there is less discrimination regarding Catholics than there was in the past, and Jabba puts up videos which make the point that in Romania, at least (and Poland and many other Eastern European countries) things are unbelieveably better than they quite recently were.
    Just what point is Jabba trying to make? Possibly that when any political party or religion gets a stanglehold on a country, they immediately begin persecuting everyone else? Like the Catholics and Protestants of a few centuries ago? If so, Toad agrees.

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  16. toadspittle says:

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    Today’s world is, as it always has been, chock-a-block with revolting countries.
    In Europe now, Christians have little to complain about.

    As Islam grows, that might well change. Swings and roundabouts.

    We must remember that “Persecution” is always what someone else does to you.

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  17. JabbaPapa says:

    How odd. Toad is suggesting that there is less discrimination regarding Catholics than there was in the past

    Forgive me for having concluded that you were suggesting that Newman’s words represented some sort of relic from a bygone era, that “progress” (or whatever) has dragged us out of (or something).

    No doubt these progressive sentiments of yours will be of much comfort to all of those Catholics throughout the Middle East; North Africa, and the Orient near and far that continue to suffer not mere discrimination, as in the West, but outright religious hatred, persecution, and the occasional mass murder.

    Still, it’s so nice to see that Toad can so easily and airily dismiss these video reports, so secure as he is in his judgment that no anti-Catholic activities at all can possibly occur in this enlightened third millennium of sweetness and light.

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  18. toadspittle says:

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    “…so secure as (Toad) is in his judgment that no anti-Catholic activities at all can possibly occur in this enlightened third millennium of sweetness and light.”

    Do you really believe what you have written above? Jabba? That Toad is under the illusion that Muslims, for one, are not killing Christians in many places of the world, (including Europe) in a holy war, as they see it? Hasn’t Toad made it clear?
    And yes, people like Dawkins are getting more aggressive, but so what? It’s just words.

    (I’m getting a bit concerned about you, J. Friendly disagreement is one thing, but you seem to be going off at some sort of tangent lately. There’s a sort of bitterness creeping in, I feel. May be wrong, of course. But are you OK? Can I help? Stop commenting, you’ll probably say. Might not be a bad idea.)

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  19. JabbaPapa says:

    Do you really believe what you have written above? Jabba? That Toad is under the illusion that Muslims, for one, are not killing Christians in many places of the world, (including Europe) in a holy war, as they see it?

    Is Toad under the illusion that he has a monopoly on sarcasm ?

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  20. toadspittle says:

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    You probably won’t credit it, but I wasn’t being sarcastic, Jabba.
    And I still don’t believe you meant what you said.
    At least, I hope you didn’t. Because, if you did , you are mistaken.
    But enough of this.
    Maybe we should get back to foreskins.
    And then, maybe not.

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  21. JabbaPapa says:

    You probably won’t credit it, but I wasn’t being sarcastic, Jabba.

    Not this time, but you very frequently are. One would accordingly have hoped that you’d recognise sarcasm when it’s used by others.

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  22. JabbaPapa says:

    Part 3 :

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